German Elections -- Results

[siron]

http://www.wahlrecht.de/

23:20 Uhr - Ãœberhangprognose von Infratest-dimap

(wz) Die TV-Anstalten bzw. Meinungsforschungsinstitute haben dazugelernt und behandeln die Frage der Überhangmandate nicht mehr so stiefmütterlich wie bei den letzten Wahlen. Infratest-dimap sagt 9 Überhangmandate für die SPD (3 in Brandenburg, 4 in Sachsen-Anhalt, 1 in Hamburg, 1 in Saarland) und 5 für die CDU (2 in Sachsen, 3 in Baden-Württemberg). Dies entspricht in etwa auch unseren Berechnungen, wobei in Dresden noch ein weiteres CDU-Überhangmandat hinzukommen kann. Es erscheint im Augenblick also sehr unwahrscheinlich, daß die SPD noch stärkste Fraktion werden könnte.

Sounds difficult for Schroeder now.

[germanos]

Der Gerhard has claimed victory as the CDU/CSU are two parties, making the SPD the biggest

[VetLegion]

The result of these ambiguous feelings is what we were seeing all the years: stagnation.

Didn't stagnation start EXACTLY with the integration of East Germany?

For me the solution is obvious, ditch it and become the European motor of growth again

[siron]

Didn't stagnation start EXACTLY with the integration of East Germany?

For me the solution is obvious, ditch it...

Well. Pssst. Too many east germans here. But we had a party with such a program:

http://www.die-partei.de/index.php?mode=content&content_id=1

Neugliederung des Bundesgebietes


Die Neugliederung des Bundesgebietes ist der einzige Fall, in dem das Grundgesetz (Artikel 29) einen Volksentscheid vorsieht. Wir streben die Verringerung der Anzahl der Bundesländer auf maximal acht durch einen solchen Volksentscheid an. Die fünf Länder Thüringen, Sachsen, Sachsen-Anhalt, BrandenÂburg und Mecklenburg-Vorpommern sollen dabei zu einem starken Ost-Bundesland zusammengefaßt werden. Um wirtschaftliche Impulse zu erzeugen, soll dieses neue, starke Bundesland eine Sonderbewirtschaftungszone (SBZ) bilden. Niedrige Steuersätze, flexible arbeitsrechtliche Regelungen und eine entbürokratisierte und gestraffte Verwaltung sollen den Aufschwung vorantreiben.


Diese Sonderbewirtschaftungszone (SBZ) soll auch baulich vom Rest der Bundesrepublik getrennt werden. Auf diese Weise soll unserer modernen, fortschrittlichen und zukunftsweisenden Idee einer solchen Zone Nachdruck verliehen werden.

[Ecthy]

"Baulich getrennt"

[VetLegion]

I wasn't really serious and I know it can't happen - national unity is not something that can be argued about.

BUT, can someone tell me did German growth start to lag with the integration -- is that premise correct? I know over 1000 billion DM have been spent to improve the East, but I don't know was it that fact that had the biggest impact, or was it something else.

If someone can point me to a site/article that examines this "point of divergence" of German economy, I'd appreciate it.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Ecthy

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,372447,00.html

There's a flash map on the right, only with majorities in districts though, so it's red and blue only.

Thanks! It's very nice.

[Colonâ„¢]

Originally posted by VetLegion

The result of these ambiguous feelings is what we were seeing all the years: stagnation.

Didn't stagnation start EXACTLY with the integration of East Germany?

For me the solution is obvious, ditch it and become the European motor of growth again

No. It started several years afterwards, following a post-unification boom and the subsequent burst of a real-estate bubble.

[Ecthy]

Vet - it is somewhat true, although there was a Europe-wide recession in the early nineties that Germany didn't see, due to the expansion of the domestic market etc.. I think the East should receive less financial aid - it already receives more money from the west than the west gains in pure growth, ie the total economy of the west loses money in "favour" of the East, which doesn't really grow.

[germanos]

Dutch media report the election might only be resolved through a postponed ballot in Dresden, as SPD and CSU/CSU might get the same number of seats.

3 seats for parliament are up for grabs in Dresden, where a candidate died before elections took place, and thus ballots needed to be reprinted before voting could commence. The vote there will be in a week or so...

[siron]

"I wasn't really serious "

The Partei isnt serious either. It was founded by this magazine here:

http://www.titanic-magazin.de/shop/

[siron]

Well. Dunno if dresden will matter.

Seems that merkel will get some trouble to control her party after this poor result.

When someone is able to replace merkel he might offer Schroeder the lead the government (even if they are some seats ahead).

The CDU controls the Bundesrat anyway.

[DanS]

It´s easy to say "Schröder messed up the economy", but in fact the Conservatives have ruled for 16 years before Schröder and left many problems for him to solve.

And he has proven particularly incapable of solving them. Y'all deserve Schroeder.

[Micha]

I don´t think the current problems are solvable at all without dismantling the foundations of the economic system. Also, it´s not all that bad. In fact we still have the strongest European economy and things start looking brighter now.

Why so harsh, Mr. Dan?

[Barnabas]

who did the catholic bavarians favor?