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This means....because of idiotic system in germany....the spd could have more seats than the CDU/CSU.
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Schroeder is social democrat right?
What does the FDP stand for? (actually what do any of them stand for?)Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
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"I'm surprised that you're willing to forgive Schroeder's long list of failures for one largely irrelevant success."
The list of his failures.....well I think Schroeders agenda 2010 is ok. The failure was that there was a too long discussion with left wing of his party. They left now.
CDU thought they could profit from this situation (they won a lot of laender because there were no "Linke" in western germany) and used the Bundesrat to oppose most proposals."Football is like chess, only without the dice." Lukas PodolskiComment
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The FDP is the Free Democrat Party. The liberals, which has somewhat of an analog in the GOP coalition here in the States. If I were in Germany, I probably would be a member of the FDP.
This is a strange ritual for an American. Each side claiming victory has happened very rarely here.For now they do the usual game -- each side claims victory.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Oh, then what about the conservatives then?Originally posted by DanS
The FDP is the Free Democrat Party. The liberals, which has somewhat of an analog in the GOP coalition here in the States.Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
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Yep.Originally posted by OzzyKP
Schroeder is social democrat right?
They call themselves liberals, so theoretically they're for free market and civil rights. In praxis they seem to care mainly about economic issues and less about the rights thing (although some individual party members/politicians there do without doubt).What does the FDP stand for? (actually what do any of them stand for?)
They have certainly an image problem here, since many see them as nothing more than a lobby group for certain businesses without competence for social issues.BlahComment
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These are pretty bad results. Germany needs a lot more reforms and now they will stall even more. Germany needs a Hartz V,VI,VII,VIII all the way to X and beyond.Originally posted by siron
"I'm surprised that you're willing to forgive Schroeder's long list of failures for one largely irrelevant success."
The list of his failures.....well I think Schroeders agenda 2010 is ok. The failure was that there was a too long discussion with left wing of his party. They left now.
CDU thought they could profit from this situation (they won a lot of laender because there were no "Linke" in western germany) and used the Bundesrat to oppose most proposals.
Skeptics should forego any thought of convincing the unconvinced that we hold the torch of truth illuminating the darkness. A more modest, realistic, and achievable goal is to encourage the idea that one may be mistaken. Doubt is humbling and constructive; it leads to rational thought in weighing alternatives and fully reexamining options, and it opens unlimited vistas.
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They are - compared to the FDP more "Christian", but moderately. The main difference is that the conservatives from the CDU are technically a "catch-all party" (like the SPD, which is cener-left, while the CDU is center-right) which appeals to large and diverse parts of the population, while the FDP is rather a small party mainly for certain limited groups.Originally posted by OzzyKP
Oh, then what about the conservatives then?BlahComment
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After reading a bit on wikipedia, I like the FDP.
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Well, to be more accurate, it doesn't happen often here, certainly not when the differences between the parties are more clear, but when you have such close results it is quite common.Originally posted by DanS
This is a strange ritual for an American. Each side claiming victory has happened very rarely here.BlahComment
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The German Parties for Dummies:
DieLinke.PDS (left wing radicals) - Grüne (left/green) - FDP (liberals/capitalists) - SPD (center left) - CDU/CSU (center right)
The government up to today:
SPD + Grüne vs. CDU/CSU + FDP; PDS not included as a party (but with three MPs)
The Parties:
DieLinke.PDS
Created in July 2005 through the merge of the PDS ("Partei Deutscher Sozialisten"; successor of the Eastern German Communist Party) and the WASG ("Wahlalternative für soziale Gerechtigkeit" / "non-mainstream-party for social justice"; far left splinter group of the SPD).
Their heads are the Eastern German rhetoric genius Gregor Gysi and the Western German former-SPD rogue politician Oskar Lafontaine. Both men draw much attention especially from the lower classes, while the party´s program has serious financing problems.
Oskar Lafontaine is regarded as a traitor by most SPD politicians, while the former PDS was shunned by CDU/CSU and FDP because of their Communist history.
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They are the ecologists; Their head of party is the German minister of foreign affairs Joschka Fischer, who was the big winner of the 2002 elections (the people like him for his natural style).
Because of the "ecology tax" on petrol/gas they have lost much of their support from the common people.
FDP
Known as the "Freie Demokratische Partei" / "Free Democratic Party", most of their press coverage comes from scandals. The head of party, Guido Westerwelle, was formerly known as the "Fun Guido" who toured the Republic in his "Guidomobil"... In 2002 they achieved the most miserable result in decades, so their focus has somewhat changed to domestic policies.
With their criticism of the Social Security system and the many subsidies they alienated many commoners, which is probably why they cannot seem to get above 10%...
SPD
As the left of the two main parties, the "Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands" is seen as the party of the workers. Chancellor Gerhard Schröder is quite popular with the common people, despite the many protests against his social reforms. Especially the reformation of the unemployment relief system (known as "Hartz IV") was a PR desaster. On the other hand he did not bow to President Bush during the war on Iraq which earned him much respect and favour.
CDU/CSU
Also known as the Union, this party is the more conservative of the two main parties. The abbreviation stands for "Christlich Demokratische Union / Christlich Soziale Union" (Christian Democratic/Social Union); It is a combination of the large CDU party and her Southern German "sister" CSU.
Their respective heads Angela Merkel ("The Merkel") and Edmund Stoiber are both well-known key figures of the opposition; Both have "lost" their TV-duels against Chancellor Schröder due to their inferior rhetoric capabilities...
Recently the Union has lost about 7% in the polls because of the nomination of Paul Kirchhof for the post of minister of treasury, who has then come up with the proposal of raising the VAT...Last edited by Micha; September 18, 2005, 16:18.Heinrich, King of Germany, Duke of Saxony in Cyclotron's amazing Holy Roman Empire NES
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A big win for the capitalist vanguard!!!
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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The end of Schroeder!? And this point not very likely because there's also a Red-Green-(Red) option: greens + SPD + (Linkspartei) (directly or by giving implicit support) with Schroeder as chancellor, rejoicing in his "confirmation" from the public, with Fischer et al keeping their jobs.Originally posted by DanS
Well, I guess this means the end for Schroeder, right? Who picks the chancellor? Does the chancellor then ask the party with the highest number of votes to form a gov't?
In the event that the Linkspartei does join (there's a lot of show going on between Lafontaine and Schroeder IMO) they'll give the economics and employment ministry to Lafontaine and co to keep them busy and to have someone to blame when the economy doesn't perform better.Skeptics should forego any thought of convincing the unconvinced that we hold the torch of truth illuminating the darkness. A more modest, realistic, and achievable goal is to encourage the idea that one may be mistaken. Doubt is humbling and constructive; it leads to rational thought in weighing alternatives and fully reexamining options, and it opens unlimited vistas.
Elie A. Shneour Skeptical InquirerComment
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The German economy's going back in the crapper (an unfortunate habit under the incompetence of Schroeder), so you're right that Schroeder would need a whipping boy.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Schroeder refuses to ally with Die Linke.. that´s very very messyI will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
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