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Originally posted by Dis
Demolish 50% of the buildings? come on!! That's negative thinking.
Demolish 50% of the buildings? come on!! That's negative thinking.
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Most of those houses won't be fit for human habitation. From mushroom, bacteria and mold growth to structural problems, those houses are going to need major renovation at a minimum."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen -
"I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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okay then (I lied about not posting in this thread againOriginally posted by Edan
Most of those houses won't be fit for human habitation. From mushrooms and bacteria to structural problems, those houses are going to need major renovation at a minimum.
), I'll believe you guys when you say 50% of the city must be demolished.
Why then can't we relocate the city? Sure it's a port city, but there are other ports on the gulf coast. It was very important before the railroad. But now we can use railroads to transport goods to cities such as Mobile, Alabama. And load up ships from there.
I'm sorry if I'm not sypmpathetic enough. But bulding skyscrapers and a huge city in such low laying land seems stupid to me. If this global warming thing is true, this will not be the last time this city get hit hard. How many times do we rebuild the same city?Comment
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That the Causeway is sound is excellent news!The Lake Pontchartrain Causeway has been opened to police, fire and other emergency vehicles after an initial inspection concluded the 24-mile long bridge was sound, WWL Radio reported this morning.
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It'll be cheaper to build truly effective flood defenses (think dutch delta works) than to relocate the entire city and infrastructure. Might as well get some practise anyway as the sea level rises might become problematic for a lot more major cities in the next century or so.Comment
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My guess is that there are two main reasons not to:Originally posted by Dis
okay then (I lied about not posting in this thread again), I'll believe you guys when you say 50% of the city must be demolished.
Why then can't we relocate the city?
1. That there is a lot of infrastructure that would be expensive to rebuild elsewhere.
2. It sits on the mouth of the miss. river.
Hopefully, they'll redesign the city so that it can handle this kind of disaster less, well, disasterously.How many times do we rebuild the same city?"I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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first, youre right - I think the 50% is pessimistic. theyre focusing on the worst hit wards, east of downtown. Apparently some areas the buildings werent all submerged.Originally posted by Dis
okay then (I lied about not posting in this thread again), I'll believe you guys when you say 50% of the city must be demolished.
Why then can't we relocate the city? Sure it's a port city, but there are other ports on the gulf coast. It was very important before the railroad. But now we can use railroads to transport goods to cities such as Mobile, Alabama. And load up ships from there.
I'm sorry if I'm not sypmpathetic enough. But bulding skyscrapers and a huge city in such low laying land seems stupid to me. If this global warming thing is true, this will not be the last time this city get hit hard. How many times do we rebuild the same city?
second, its costlier to build anew than to repair, as a general rule.
third - Mobile doesnt have the capacity. Youd have to put a huge investment to add the capacity there. You have to compare that to the cost of rebuilding NoLa.
fourth - you cant just substitute rail for water. The freight rail system has capacity issues NOW. You cant just pull all the traffic off the mississippi/missouri/ohio system - the Corps of engineers has been looking at INCREASING capacity on the system. In if you have any spare money on hand, id suggest leasing a covered hopper rail car - theyll be at a premium very soon - in fact the lease rates are probably already up - the need to divert the grain harvest to rail is going to stretch the railroads capacities, not to mention drive up rail rates, and thus delivered grain prices. Not all of the people who are gonna die cause of this hurricane live in North America. But back to the topic - if you were to divert all the river traffic that moves via NoLa to rail, you'll have to make huge new investments in the rail industry - add that to the investments in alternative ports (not to mention the added on going costs of rail, versus barge)
No, rebuilding New Orleans right where it is makes a lot of sense.
BUT 1. Restore wetlands and barrier islands, to reduce hurricane damage
2. Improve building codes
3. Consider abandoning the lowest lying neighborhoods
4. Improve evacuation plans"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Out of curiosity... New Orleans has a lot of oil refining in the area; did those complexes survive? I'm thinking if they didn't, it'd be even more disasterous environmentally, since the flooding city has created what probably amounts to a toxic lake.B♭3Comment
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I really regret now not having taken the opportunity to visit this city over New Year's. It will be flooded for months, toxic for years, if not decades. And God, the now-homeless...
The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.
The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.Comment
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The oil port survived without major damage. Said could resume pumping within hours, once it has electricity.
Don't know about the refineries. I've heard that 2 are back running at reduced capacity.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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It appears the water is flowing out. Is it just low tide or had the sea risen due to Katrina previously?Originally posted by Edan
Last year the National Geographic had a big article on New Orleans and its surroundings. IIRC the area is sinking due to drainage of the swamps. The same thing happens here: the more you drain, the more the swampy/peaty soil shrinks, and the lower the land gets.
I think the story of setting sand-deposits must be bogus."post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
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It's one of the levees breaking. The watrers rushing in from the lake (at the bottom) into the city (at the top).Originally posted by germanos
It appears the water is flowing out. Is it just low tide or had the sea risen due to Katrina previously?"I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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Well isn't THIS a heart-warming example of racist journalism...
White people find...
...and Black people steal.Two residents wade through chest-deep water after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store after Hurricane Katrina came through the area in New Orleans, Louisiana.(AFP/Getty Images/Chris Graythen)
A young man walks through chest deep flood water after looting a grocery store in New Orleans on Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Flood waters continue to rise in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina did extensive damage when it made landfall on Monday. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.
The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.Comment
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