Mayor Ray Nagin ordered an immediate evacuation Sunday for all of New Orleans

[Kuciwalker]

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[Edan]

Just oto point out, the first report is by AFP, and the second report is by AP, which may explain the discrepency.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by germanos


It appears the water is flowing out. Is it just low tide or had the sea risen due to Katrina previously?

Under normal conditions, the lake is several feet higher than the city. The water is flowing the wrong way through the canal and into the city.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Ninot
Where'd you get that from Ozzy? Thats powerful stuff

http://www.nola.com/hurricane/t-p/katrina.ssf?/hurricane/katrina/stories/083005catastrophic.html

The full article:

CATASTROPHIC
STORM SURGE SWAMPS 9TH WARD, ST. BERNARD
LAKEVIEW LEVEE BREACH THREATENS TO INUNDATE CITY

By Doug MacCash
and James O.Byrne
Staff writers

A large section of the vital 17th Street Canal levee, where it connects to the brand new "hurricane proof" Old Hammond Highway bridge, gave way late Monday morning in Bucktown after Katrina's fiercest winds were well north. The breach sent a churning sea of water from Lake Pontchartrain coursing across Lakeview and into Mid-City, Carrollton, Gentilly, City Park and neighborhoods farther south and east.

As night fell on a devastated region, the water was still rising in the city, and nobody was willing to predict when it would stop. After the destruction already apparent in the wake of Katrina, the American Red Cross was mobilizing for what regional officials were calling the largest recovery operation in the organization's history.

Police officers, firefighters and private citizens, hampered by a lack of even rudimentary communication capabilities, continued a desperate and impromptu boat-borne rescue operation across Lakeview well after dark. Coast Guard helicopters with searchlights criss-crossed the skies. Officers working on the scene said virtually every home and business between the 17th Street Canal and the Marconi Canal, and between Robert E. Lee Boulevard and City Park Avenue, had water in it. Nobody had confirmed any fatalities as a result of the levee breach, but they conceded that hundreds of homes had not been checked.

As the sun set over a still-roiling Lake Pontchartrain, the smoldering ruins of the Southern Yacht Club were still burning, and smoke streamed out over the lake. Nobody knew the cause of the fire because nobody could get anywhere near it to find out what happened.

Dozens of residents evacuated to the dry land of the Filmore Street bridge over the Marconi Canal were stranded between the flooded neighborhood on their right, and the flooded City Park on their left, hours after they had been plucked from rooftops or second-story windows.

Firefighters who saved them tried to request an RTA bus to come for the refugees, but realized was no working communications to do so. Ed Gruber, who lives in the 6300 block of Canal Boulevard, said he became desperate when the rising water chased him, his wife, Helen, and their neighbor Mildred K. Harrison to the second floor of their home.

When Gruber saw a boat pass by, he flagged it down with a light, and the three of them escaped from a second- story window.

On the lakefront, pleasure boats were stacked on top of each other like cordwood in the municipal marina and yacht harbor. The Robert E. Lee shopping center was under 7 feet of water. Plantation Coffeehouse on Canal Boulevard was the same. Hynes Elementary School had 8 feet of water inside. Indeed, the entire business district along Harrison Avenue had water to the rooflines in many places. Joshua Bruce, 19, was watching the tide rise from his home on Pontalba Street when he heard a woman crying for help. The woman had apparently tried to wade the surging waters on Canal Boulevard when she was swept beneath the railroad trestle just south of Interstate 610. Bruce said he plunged into the water to pull her to safety. He and friends Gregory Sontag and Joey LaFrance found dry clothes for the woman and she went on her way in search of a second-story refuge downtown.

The effect of the breach was instantly devastating to residents who had survived the fiercest of Katrina's winds and storm surge intact, only to be taken by surprise by the sudden deluge. And it added a vast swath of central New Orleans to those already flooded in eastern New Orleans, the Lower 9th Ward and St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes.

Beginning at midday, Lakeview residents watched in horror as the water began to rise, pushed through the levee breach by still-strong residual winds from Katrina. They struggled to elevate furniture and eventually found themselves forced to the refuge of second floors just when most in the neighborhood thought they had been spared.

"It would have been fine," refugee Pat O.Brien said. "The eye passed over." But his relief was short-lived. "It's like what you see on TV and never thought would happen to us. We lost everything: cars, art, furniture, everything."

Scott Radish, his wife Kyle and neighbor Brandon Gioe stood forlornly on their Mound Street porch, where they had ridden out Katrina, only to face a second, more insidious

threat. "The hurricane was scary," Scott said. "All the tree branches fell, but the building stood. I thought I was doing good. Then I noticed my Jeep was under water."

The water had risen knee-deep during the storm, but despite the clearing skies, it had continued to rise one brick every 20 minutes, according to Kyle Scott, continuing its ascent well into the night.

"We were good until the canal busted," Sontag said. "First there was water on the street, then the sidewalk, then water in the house." Officials of the Army Corps of Engineers have contingencies for levee breaches such as the one that happened Monday, but it will take time and effort to get the heavy equipment into place to make the repair. Breach repair is part of the corps' planning for recovery from catastrophic storms, but nobody Monday was able to say how long it would take to plug the hole, or how much water would get through it before that happened.

In Lakeview, the scene was surreal. A woman yelled to reporters from a rooftop, asking them to call her father and tell him she was OK, although fleeing to the roof of a two-story home hardly seemed to qualify.

About 5 p.m., almost as if on cue, the battery power of all the house alarms in the neighborhood seemed to reach a critical level, and they all went off, making it sound as if the area was under an air-raid warning. Two men surviving on generator power in the Lake Terrace neighborhood near the Lake Pontchartrain levee still had a dry house, but they were watching the rising water in the yard nervously. They were planning to head out to retrieve a vast stash of beer, champagne and hard liquor they found washed onto the levee. As night fell, the sirens of house alarms finally fell silent, and the air filled with a different, deafening and unfamiliar sound: the extraordinary din of thousands of croaking frogs.

Still wondering if he would spend the night on the Filmore Street bridge over the Marconi Canal, Gruber tried to be philosophical.

"I never thought I would see any devastation like this, and I've lived here more than 30 years," Gruber said. "But at least we have our lives.

And that's something."

[germanos]

Originally posted by Edan


It's one of the levees breaking. The watrers rushing in from the lake (at the bottom) into the city (at the top).

I'm pretty sure the water is flowing towards the viewer (the white 'waves' extend to the bottom of the pic, not the other way around)

edit: you can see though that the **** broke towards the top of the pic: on both sides of the breach you can see it has been pushed inwards.

Why is it called a levee BTW? Is it French for **** or something?

edit2: swearfilter

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by germanos


I'm pretty sure the water is flowing towards the viewer (the white 'waves' extend to the bottom of the pic, not the other way around)

Originally posted by DRoseDARs


Under normal conditions, the lake is several feet higher than the city. The water is flowing the wrong way through the canal and into the city.

[germanos]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs


Under normal conditions, the lake is several feet higher than the city. The water is flowing the wrong way through the canal and into the city.

yeah, yeah.
Now explain the white stuff.

[Edan]

Originally posted by germanos


yeah, yeah.
Now explain the white stuff.

Those would be waves.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by germanos


yeah, yeah.
Now explain the white stuff.

I have no idea where he got the photo, but from the looks of it the photographer isn't that high over the water. The scale of objects in the picture suggest that the distance between the break in the levee and the camera probably places the helicopter just a little downstream of it, like over a street. The force of the water would have washed away anything sitting there hours ago, leaving what looks like the open waters of the lake.

[germanos]

Originally posted by DanS
Here's a picture of the blown levee. It's sort of hard to tell which side of the levee is where the people live... http://www.apolyton.net/forums/attac...postid=3985831

It looks like its the same breech as this one. Also here the water appears to be streaming toward the open water in front of the bridge/canal

[DRoseDARs]

That still doesn't look like open water. Like I said, I have no idea where these pictures come from, but they do build some bridges over the wider canals; from Google Earth, the 17th Street Canal looks to be a block wide, certainly wide enough for a small bridge like the ones pictured in what you're posting germanos. But whatever you're getting at, the fact remains that the city is lower than all of its surrounding water even under normal conditions. Water is flowing into the city faster than it can be currently pumped out. Hell, I've heard the pumps have been stopped because it is pointless to fight the water because of that until the situation has settled down.

[laurentius]

****ALL RESIDENTS ON THE EAST BANK OF ORLEANS AND JEFFERSON REMAINING IN THE METRO AREA ARE BEING TOLD TO EVACUATE AS EFFORTS TO SANDBAG THE LEVEE BREAK HAVE ENDED. THE PUMPS IN THAT AREA ARE EXPECTED TO FAIL SOON AND 9 FEET OF WATER IS EXPECTED IN THE ENTIRE EAST BANK. WITHIN THE NEXT 12-15 HOURS****

still getting worse...

[boann]

just heard on the tv news.. ALL of new orleans is going to be evacuated.

[Spiffor]

I don't understand... I thought the mayor ordered the evacuation before the hurricane. What is the difference between that pre-hurricane evacuaion and the new one?

[DanS]

I don't know. They might start arresting people and removing them by force.