British vs French 19thc century lit rumble

[Ben Kenobi]

What about Keats, or Shaw?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp


And now you're left staring up the twin barrels of Coleridge and Tennyson.

Too easy!

Is Coleridge really post-1800?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


What about Keats, or Shaw?

I think someone said Keats, and Shaws definitely post 1900.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


What about Keats, or Shaw?

GB Shaw's greatest works are all 20th century.

[Ben Kenobi]

He wrote Mrs. Warren's profession in 1894, so he straddles the centuries.



I'll replace Keats then with Hemans.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


GB Shaw's greatest works are all 20th century.

So are Irving Shaw's

[Ben Kenobi]

Coleridge wrote Kubla Khan in 1817, so I'd have to say so.

[Nostromo]

Well, well, well, didn't know there were so many poetry buffs on the board. I thought you were tough guys, Navy Seals material, not fragile, sensible human beings in touch with your feminine side

[chequita guevara]

I'm gonna drop a Brit h-bomb . . .

Alfred Lord Tennyson

[lord of the mark]

so far

French

Victor Hugo
Honoré de Balzac
Gustave Flaubert
Émile Zola
Jules Verne
Alfred de Musset
Charles Baudelaire
Edmond Rostand
Guy de Maupassant
George Sand
Rimbaud
Verlaine
Mallarmé

British

Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Doyle
Charlotte Bronte
Abraham 'Bram' Stoker
Charles Dickens
Joseph Conrad
R. L. Stevenson
H. G. Wells
Kipling
Emily Bronte,
Thomas Hardy
Sir Walter Scott
Lewis Carrol
Jane Austen
Keats
Byron
Percy Bysshe Shelley.
mary shelley
George Elliot
William Makepeace Thackeray
Richard Blackmore.
Coleridge
Tennyson
Hemans (?)


But remember, its quality, not just quantity

[lord of the mark]

ok
Austen vs Balzac
Dickens vs Zola
Carrol vs Verne
Thackery vs Hugo

Byron vs Baudelaire
Coleridge vs Rimbaud


I get the sense the brits are winning.

But I still dont see any single Brit novelist whose quite the equivalent of Flaubert.

Maybe Conrad? Can Heart of Darkness stand up to Madame Bovary?

[Nostromo]

Stendhal

Marie-Henri Beyle (January 23, 1783 – March 23, 1842), better known by his penname Stendhal, was a 19th century French writer. He is known for his acute analysis of his characters' psychology and for the dryness of his writing-style. He is considered one of the foremost and earliest practioners of the realistic form, and his best novels are Le Rouge et le noir (1830; The Red and the Black) and La Chartreuse de Parme (1839; The Charterhouse of Parma).

Alfred Jarry

Alfred Jarry (September 8, 1873 – November 1, 1907) was a French writer born in Laval, Mayenne, France, not far from the border of Brittany; he was of Breton descent on his mother's side.

Best known for his play Ubu Roi (1896), which is often cited as a forerunner to the theatre of the absurd, Jarry wrote in a variety of genres and styles. He wrote plays, novels, poetry, essays and speculative journalism. His texts present some pioneering work in the field of absurdist literature. Sometimes grotesque or misunderstood (i.e. the opening line in his play Ubu Roi, "Merdre!", has been translated into English as "****tr!" and "Shikt!"), he invented a science called 'pataphysics.

Comte de Lautréamont

Comte de Lautréamont is a pseudonym for Isidore Lucien Ducasse (Montevideo, Uruguay, April 4, 1846 - Paris, November 24, 1870), a French poet and writer.

de Jonge writes, "Lautreamont forces his readers to stop taking their world for granted. He shatters the complacent acceptence of the reality proposed by their cultural traditions and make them see that reality for what it is: an unreal nightmare all the more hair-raising because the sleeper believes he is awake." (de Jonge, 1)

Lautreamont’s writing is full of bizarre scenes, vivid imagery and drastic shifts in tone and style. There are heavy measures of black humor; de Jonge argues that Maldoror reads like "a sustained sick joke." (de Jonge, 55)

Isidore Ducasse was born to a French Consular Officer and his wife. Little is known about his childhood, de Jonge writes that he is "one of those rare figures of Western culture, a writer without a biography." (de Jonge, 11) It is believed Ducasse moved to France at the age of 10 to attend a Parisian lycée. He left school aged 19 to travel, but soon returned to Paris, where he began writing his seminal work, Les Chants de Maldoror, under the name Comte de Lautréamont (based on the character of Latréaumont, from a popular French gothic novel by Eugène Sue).

The first canto of the book was published in 1868, and the complete work in 1869. The publisher Lacroix however refused to sell the book as they feared prosecution for blasphemy or obscenity. While fighting to have the work published, Ducasse began work on a book of poetry titled Poésies, however this work remained unfinished as the author died under unknown circumstances. There is a wealth of Lautreamont criticism, interpretation and analysis in French (including an esteemed biography by ), but little in English.

Les Chants de Maldoror is based around a character called Maldoror, a figure of unrelenting evil who has forsaken God and mankind. The book combines an obscene and violent narrative with vivid and often surrealistic imagery.

The book is often seen as an important work of French symbolism. The artist Amedeo Modigliani always carried a copy of the book with him and used to walk around Montparnasse, quoting from Maldoror. In the 20th century it was acknowledged by the writer André Breton as being a direct precursor to surrealism. Invoking an obscure clause in the French civil code, New York performance artist Shishaldin has recently petitioned the French government for permission to posthumously marry the author.

Alexandre Dumas, père

Alexandre Dumas, père, born Dumas Davy de la Pailleterie (July 24, 1802 – December 5, 1870), is best known for his numerous historical novels of high adventure which have made him the most widely read French author in the world. Many of his novels, including The Count of Monte Cristo and the D'Artagnan Romances, were serialized, and he also wrote plays, magazine articles, and was a prolific correspondent. Dumas was a quadroon, and suffered from racism during his lifetime.

[Sava]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


if we ask that participant actually have some sense of culture, would that make this a club thread?

elitist scum


GTA is culturally superior to anything in this thread!

[Ben Kenobi]

Conrad is 20th Century, due to Heart of Darkness being published in 1902. So the Brits can't use Conrad.

Well, well, well, didn't know there were so many poetry buffs on the board. I thought you were tough guys, Navy Seals material, not fragile, sensible human beings in touch with your feminine side

[Ben Kenobi]

Hemans

Never hear of Casabianca?

http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/hemans/deck.html

/me loves Victorian lit.