Armstrong: too good to be true?

[Ben Kenobi]

Lance Armstrong is an American? On the TV and radio I always hear him refered to as a Texan.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Flubber
You should come out for a ride some day with some cyclists. lets make it short-- say only 100 miles through some little bumps . . . we like to call them the Rockies

After 10 minutes on a bike, Sava would be balling his eyes out like little baby over how much it ****ing hurts.

[Sava]

no I used to ride a bike... then I turned 12

[Boris Godunov]

But you weren't fat and lazy then.

And it wasn't a road bike.

[Sava]

actually, I started gaining weight around 10...

I was pretty overweight until I started playing hockey in high school

I reached my physical fitness peak at 22

then I went off to school, with no chance to exercise...

gained 30 lbs

that's all she wrote

road bike? you mean those ***** thin wheel bikes?

I see them all the time. Fat, middle-aged lance armstrong wannabes in my town that ride the bikes on busy streets during rush hour.

I can't believe you are defending a blood doping cheater and people who idolize him.

I thought you were better than that Boris.

[Boris Godunov]

I can't believe you're hypocritical enough to condemn people for cycling for sport, when you don't know a thing about it and are an unemployed, out-of-shape depressed guy who sits around playing video games all day (in his parents house, yes?), smoking reefer and contemplating suicide. Oh wait, it's Sava, I guess I can believe it.

Yeah, 'OMG CYCLISTS R TEH LOSERS!" indeed.

Oh, and it's pretty obvious to anyone with an intact brain that I'm not defending a "blood doping cheater," as I clearly pointed out that the evidence is very thin and, if it does turn out to be true, he should be stripped of his title(s). I guess juries who follow "innocent until proven guilty" are just coddling criminals, eh? How Republican of you.

[Sava]

I ran out of weed at the beginning of july

so no smoking for almost 2 months

next harvest in maybe 6 weeks

i see your argument is so weak you have to try to insult my life

evidence is thin? 6 confirmed tests prove he used EPO in 1999

But Jean-Marie Leblanc, the director of the Tour de France, called the paper's report "very complete, very professional, very meticulous." He said on RTL radio that the charge "appears credible."

from the NYtimes article... referring to the French newspaper's report

and what is hypocritical about my condemnations?

how do I not know a thing about cycling? it's riding a bike...

oh wait, let me try the Boris arguing style: "You're just a dumb ***, what do you know?"

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
an unemployed, out-of-shape depressed guy who sits around playing video games all day (in his parents house, yes?)

It's a low blow. I now know that being such kind of guy is the really the suck

[Flubber]

Sava

its simple really . . . I want to see more evidence than a report from some French paper thats been anti-Armstrong for a long time. Its an odd methodology if a newspaper is testing someone's urine.

Also was EPO always banned?? Or was it like steroids in baseball where there was no rule against them for a while ?

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Sava
blah blah blah


your still wrong

[Richelieu]

Originally posted by Flubber
Its an odd methodology if a newspaper is testing someone's urine.

A lab did the testing. The lab did not know who'se samples they were testing. The newspaper claims that they linked the urine samples to Armstrong.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Flubber
Sava

its simple really . . . I want to see more evidence than a report from some French paper thats been anti-Armstrong for a long time. Its an odd methodology if a newspaper is testing someone's urine.

Also was EPO always banned?? Or was it like steroids in baseball where there was no rule against them for a while ?

it ain't just a river in egypt folks!

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Richelieu


A lab did the testing. The lab did not know who'se samples they were testing. The newspaper claims that they linked the urine samples to Armstrong.

I assumed it was a lab but what I mean was who commissioned the testing and for what purpose.?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Sava
I ran out of weed at the beginning of july

so no smoking for almost 2 months

next harvest in maybe 6 weeks

i see your argument is so weak you have to try to insult my life

Your defense is that you've run out?

And you've been insulting people's lives all along (unfounded accusations against Armstrong's personal life, insulting cyclists, etc.), so why shouldn't you get the same?

evidence is thin? 6 confirmed tests prove he used EPO in 1999

I already posted why this evidence was dubious in that post you conveniently ignored. On top of that:

http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=sportsNews&storyID=2005-08-23T173419Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-213611-1.xml

A French specialist doping laboratory said on Tuesday it could not confirm that tests it had conducted for the blood-boosting drug EPO belonged to Lance Armstrong.

Gee, they can't confirm the samples are even his--THIS is your wonderful evidence?

from the NYtimes article... referring to the French newspaper's report

And Marchand is a doctor? A chemist? Oh, no, he's a race bureaucrat...

and what is hypocritical about my condemnations?

Hmmm, could be your insulting people's chosen activities/hobbies while your own are hardly worthy of much respect. I'm willing to bet those fat cyclists are still more productive members of society. Hell, who wouldn't be?

how do I not know a thing about cycling? it's riding a bike...

You just prove my point more. Ok, we'll get you on a road bike and see how you do. First, I'll try not to laugh every time you fall over. Then I'll try not to smoke you too badly when you're dying on a hill because you haven't a clue about gear shifting on it.

oh wait, let me try the Boris arguing style: "You're just a dumb ***, what do you know?"

Except I didn't engage in any such ad hominem. You were first insulting other people's life choices, so it was only proper to point out how you might want to remove the plank from your own eye first.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Flubber
its simple really . . . I want to see more evidence than a report from some French paper thats been anti-Armstrong for a long time. Its an odd methodology if a newspaper is testing someone's urine.

As Richelieu said, the lab did the testing without knowing whose samples they were. The newspaper allegedly linked the samples (edit: three out of the sic that were tested and positive to EPO) with Armstrong, by inquiring in the administrative archives. The linkage between the urine samples and Armstrong might be crap, but the fact that six urine samples from the tour 1999 were EPO'd comes from an actual lab.

Also was EPO always banned??

In 1999 it was. But it wasn't detectable. At the time, the way to "detect" a guy full of EPO was indirect (IIUC, to check whether his red globules were too concentrated or not). Today's methods can detect the product.