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You know, calling it the RCC doesn't make it cool.Originally posted by DanS
Man, some of you are plain clueless about the RCC."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Yes, really. Especially you, Ted.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Originally posted by Asher
You know, calling it the RCC doesn't make it cool.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Let's be clear -- are you calling Ted clueless?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Originally posted by DanS
Yes, really. Especially you, Ted.
Actually you take for granted what you Master says so other options don't even register for you.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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You are an expert on the way I view these things now? Whatever, sport.Originally posted by Ted Striker
Actually you take for granted what you Master says so other options don't even register for you.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Ted Striker, Expert
Go back inside your cage now
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Obviously, this is a real phenomenon, especially in the US, but I confess that I find it confusing.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
You can't be that naive, Kuci. There are PLENTY of nominal Catholics, who call themselves Catholic, but use condoms or are pro-choice (John Kerry would be one of the latter), etc.
These are people who say they are Catholics who really don't follow everything the Pope says. This is a problem the Vatican has to deal with.
I grew up Catholic -- deep, believing, altar-boy Catholic -- but eventually couldn't square the faith with my other faith in progressive liberalism. So I left. This, in fact, has been painful. My spirituality is something I take seriously, and it was shaped by the Church; I don't feel that I can just run off and become an Episcopalian, or a Unitarian, or a Buddhist, even though there's an appeal to each of those, because those faiths haven't shaped me.
But as hard as it was to leave the Church, I can't imagine staying and just picking and choosing what you want to believe, like the Catechism is some kind of dim sum menu. That seems like keeping the Church but losing the religion, and what's the point of that?"I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George CarlinComment
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For some, religion is more of a guide, not a strict set of rules that has to be strictly followed.
It's more important to be close with God rathar than make sure you followed rules 2, 3, and 4.
Sorry to hear about your pain Rufus.
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At some point the non-obedience of the followers breaks into the heirarchy. It's extremely hard to shield that heirarchy from followers who may believe something different.Originally posted by Kuciwalker
I know. The difference is that the Pope can't really be expected to exert any authority IRL. But in Church hierarchy fairyland?
Rufus, I think that perhaps they believe in the Church so strongly they can't break away from it, but realize it can change dramatically (as Vatican II would show). They work for that change inside the Church. Though yes, a bottom up change in Catholic dogma would run contrary to the whole notion of the religion.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Originally posted by Asher
Let's be clear -- are you calling Ted clueless?
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
True, but they need to recognize that people do defy them already.
Yes, and as Rufus pointed out, the people who defy them are called Protestants.
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Benedict should get busy with the excommunication rod.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
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I'm not talking what the POPE says they can and can't do. If her local Roman church says she can do it, more power to her.
The Pope is just going to have to follow and get with the modern times. Rules be damned.
Acts like this push the envelope, in the same way Rosa Parks did when she refused to give her seat up to a white woman.
No one is forcing her to the back of the church. If she doesn't like the doctrine of the Catholic church, she should leave and join the Anglican church. Rosa Parks didn't have the option to ride a bus that would treat her as she felt she ought to be treated.
Secondly, why should the pope 'get with it?' From the pope's point of view, what is modern now, is not going to be modern later, but the teachings of the church are timeless.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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