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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Who is going to ordain her? Doesn't ordination require the offices of a bishop in the Roman Catholic Church? Wouldn't the Pope want to excommunicate him also?
It hinted at that. In the European ordaining of female priests, two male priests were there (who I'd guess ordained them), but their names aren't being released. I think it's similar for this ceremony.
Good luck ladies
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Who is going to ordain her? Doesn't ordination require the offices of a bishop in the Roman Catholic Church? Wouldn't the Pope want to excommunicate him also?
Not sure. I think I know why she is going to Quebec though, because that is probably where the bishop resides.
You are right that a bishop is necessary to perform the ordination, but, as in the French case that has already been cited, all of them will be excommunicated.
Secondly, all ordinations have to be publicly announced and recorded. Having an ordination, without publicly naming the bishops, is not going to be recognised by the Catholic church. You can't 'secretly' be ordained.
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Originally posted by DanS
I don't believe females can be ordained Roman Catholic priests. Just isn't possible. This lady is deluded, sadly.
Hiss to DanS for supporting the status quo.
Rosa Parks wasn't "allowed" to sit down in the bus either.
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I don't think it's possible for a woman to be ordained in the Roman Catholic Church. But there are Catholic splinter groups that will do it. One of them ordained Sinead O'Connor, iirc.
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I'm not talking what the POPE says they can and can't do. If her local Roman church says she can do it, more power to her.
The Pope is just going to have to follow and get with the modern times. Rules be damned.
Acts like this push the envelope, in the same way Rosa Parks did when she refused to give her seat up to a white woman.
Others will follow suit.
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Get with the times biznatches, we practice safe sex and women have equal rights. It's time to wake up and move on.
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Originally posted by Ted Striker
I'm not talking what the POPE says they can and can't do. If her local Roman church says she can do it, more power to her.
The Pope is just going to have to follow and get with the modern times. Rules be damned.
Acts like this push the envelope, in the same way Rosa Parks did when she refused to give her seat up to a white woman.
Others will follow suit.
I'm with you, and her, in principle, Ted. But the whole point of the RCC is that it's heirarchical and managed from the top. That's one of the big reasons people did "get with the times -- "the times" being the Protestant Reformation. Staying in the RCC to defy the Pope is a little like joining the Marines in order to do your own thing.
"I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin
True, but they need to recognize that people do defy them already.
Alot of the "rules" just seem to be optional, for example contraception, I don't know who follows that rule, even many people in 3rd world countries now ignore it.
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Originally posted by Ted Striker
True, but they need to recognize that people do defy them already.
Alot of the "rules" just seem to be optional, for example contraception, I don't know who follows that rule, even many people in 3rd world countries now ignore it.
Well, I wish some of those folks ignoring it were in the Philippines. Catholicism is killing this country, and the rules on contraception are a big part of that.
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True, but they need to recognize that people do defy them already.
Yes, and as Rufus pointed out, the people who defy them are called Protestants.
You can't be that naive, Kuci . There are PLENTY of nominal Catholics, who call themselves Catholic, but use condoms or are pro-choice (John Kerry would be one of the latter), etc.
These are people who say they are Catholics who really don't follow everything the Pope says. This is a problem the Vatican has to deal with.
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
You can't be that naive, Kuci . There are PLENTY of nominal Catholics, who call themselves Catholic, but use condoms or are pro-choice (John Kerry would be one of the latter), etc.
I know. The difference is that the Pope can't really be expected to exert any authority IRL. But in Church hierarchy fairyland?
Man, some of you are plain clueless about the RCC.
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