Eternal friends of Israel

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Az
Oh, now our conventional military power is unrivaled, and it has been that way since the mid 70s. But it certainly wasn't the case when France soured towards us in 67', before the 6-day war and before the war of 73'.

Now it would be clear if I knew what you are referring to about France becoming sour toward you.

[Az]

Embargoing weapons shipments to us, after being our no.1 weapons supplier, and thus making us dependant on you for spare parts, etc.?

[Ben Kenobi]

Interesting, that you would categorise relations with the US as cordial.

What about Canada. AFAIK, we've generally had a favourable policy towards Israel, even though we haven't been able to help you militarily.

[Az]

Canada? you're cool.

It's kinda hard to categorize relations with countries that neither exercise geopolitical power in the ME, nor came under Israel's influence. It's sorta meaningless.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Interesting, that you would categorise relations with the US as cordial.

Why is that interesting?

[Az]

It's not that trivial, btw.

Once upon a time, when we were a poor, proud and ingenious nation, our relationship with the US wasn't always on calm waters. Sadly, our geopolitical testicles have risen and shrunk back into the body.

[Ben Kenobi]

Cordial is a rather bland way to put it.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Az
Embargoing weapons shipments to us, after being our no.1 weapons supplier, and thus making us dependant on you for spare parts, etc.?

I see. We would be considered better friends if we did not have started helping you when you really needed it.

[Az]

That's why I said that we were on excellent terms .... until you for "some reason" decided to stop selling arms to us, which you started in exchange of us doing a favor for you - going to war for you and Britain in 56'. And even though we needed you more that you needed us, because you were the bigger country, it was a symbiotic relationship, until you decided to turn your backs on us, because you thought that trading with our enemies is better. And know this: we really liked you - One of the main squares of my city is Paris square. We have France Road in my city, and we have France's classics as the names of streets around here. It's a shame that due to some quirk of DeGaulle, our special relationship ended. That's it.

[GePap]

You forget good relations with the Chinese since the Chinese thaw with the US.

So so relations with India, verying relations with Latin America.

Lets note that the French were very important in Israel becoming a nuclear state-something the US did not want.

The Israelis were big supporters of continued French rule in Algeria.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap
You forget good relations with the Chinese since the Chinese thaw with the US.

So so relations with India,

my sense is that in the last 15 years Israels relations with India have been better than their relations with China.

[Az]

Yeah, I believe this is the case, as well- The Indians are both an ally against Islamists, and costumers to Israel's Arms industry. There is a rather wide front of cooperation, with the only problematic part being the India Iran relationship ( man, this league would look a whole different during another Iranian government, since we and Iran have many shared geopolitical interests)

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Az
France -excellent till 67', soured after that.
Britain - obviously bad after independence, but soon improved, when they thought they could use us in 56'. normal since then.
USA - rather cool till 64' - cordial after that.
USSR - ok until early 50s, when USSR thought they could take the ME by coopting ba'athism ( wrong ).
Warm relations with Singapore that were kept real quiet for obvious reasons.
Cordial relations with Iran till the institution of the Islamic Republic.
Various relations with African states, where Israel dispenced military agricultural and medical training and equipment, sometimes being at odds with european, american and soviet interests.

Solid relations with various factions around the ME.

The US relations sored after lindon johnson. Bush seniour was not very good for Israel. Bush juniour is good but very demanding.

Relations with Turkey are very good.
Relations with various arab states are secretly kept better than publicly presented.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by GePap
You forget good relations with the Chinese since the Chinese thaw with the US.

So so relations with India, verying relations with Latin America.

Lets note that the French were very important in Israel becoming a nuclear state-something the US did not want.

The Israelis were big supporters of continued French rule in Algeria.

I agree about India. And the french.

We have very bland relations with the chinese, since they support the palestinians, and obviously are fearful of western countries. Also, Israel is very friendly with singapore and iirc taiwan as well. China is especially mad after Israel abrupted its military trading with it, following american pressure.

About latin american coutnries - we sold them technology and weapons. We also tried to salvage jews from several semi-fascist regimes there.

[laurentius]

I proclame myself as the eternal friend of both Israel and USA.

lechaim and cheers!