Eternal friends of Israel

[Commy]

Az, you must realize that Israel isn't the first victim to France's diplomatic scheme's...the Native Americans had similiar problems...of course, that was a long time ago...

The reason France isn't so nice to everyone is because France really isn't that powerful anymore...France used to have the largest economy in the world, now it ranks 7th...France isn't all that influential...with the Rise of superpowers like the USA and China, a small country like France that is slowly being assimilated into the EU is simply "some other place on the world"...

With the close alliance between USA and the UK, few countries, except perhaps China, dare to get involved in too many affairs with other countries...its not that the USA's role as world police is just or deserving, but it is not wise to question the USA's role, as the lunatic Republicans who now control the office, Congress, and soon the Supreme Court are not exactly...cordial, to those who dare oppose them...

[Commy]

As my friend always says, "France is like a pimpel on the world economy's ass..."

[Agathon]

You can count New Zealand out since Israel's actions in our country have turned most of the population and most politicians against the Israeli government.

[Zevico]

You can count New Zealand out

And the foundations of the earth shook, and much was the outcry in the land.

[Kuciwalker]

@ Agathon

[Kuciwalker]

Population of Finland: 5,211,311

Population of New Zealand: 4,092,900

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Commy
Az, you must realize that Israel isn't the first victim to France's diplomatic scheme's...the Native Americans had similiar problems...of course, that was a long time ago...

Israel a victim from France ?
The Native Americans victim of France ?

Not serious indeed.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Population of Finland: 5,211,311

Population of New Zealand: 4,092,900

But no-one cares about the Finns.

And besides... we hate the French too.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Az
Yeah, I believe this is the case, as well- The Indians are both an ally against Islamists, and costumers to Israel's Arms industry. There is a rather wide front of cooperation, with the only problematic part being the India Iran relationship ( man, this league would look a whole different during another Iranian government, since we and Iran have many shared geopolitical interests)

India was and has seen itself as the leader of the non-alligned group, which was never friendly to israel, specially since Egypt was a big member of that movement. India also supports most Palestinian claims, and given their 150 Million muslims, its not hard to see why.

So you can't really say India's relations with Israel are anything more than cordial, specially since Israel was until recently helping to arm China.

[Edan]

I'll add, append some:

Originally posted by Az
USA - rather cool till 64' - cordial after that.

Also, very good after the early 70s.

Cordial relations with Iran till the institution of the Islamic Republic.

Yes, although there were some secret low level contact during the Iraq/Iran war. For example, Israel provided Iran with intelligence aboiut Osiraq, hoping they would take it out. When they bungled it, Israel did it.

Also, secret cordial relationship with Jordan after 1970 (when Israel aided Jordan in warding off an attack of Jordan by Syria). non-secret after the treaty was signed in 94.

[Edan]

Didn't Sharon visit India a couple of years back?

[Az]

India was and has seen itself as the leader of the non-alligned group, which was never friendly to israel, specially since Egypt was a big member of that movement. India also supports most Palestinian claims, and given their 150 Million muslims, its not hard to see why.

Yes, but this is hardly meaningful in any way in the real life, because after all, it's the real actions, not stated positions that matter.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Az
France -excellent till 67', soured after that.
Britain - obviously bad after independence, but soon improved, when they thought they could use us in 56'. normal since then.
USA - rather cool till 64' - cordial after that.
USSR - ok until early 50s, when USSR thought they could take the ME by coopting ba'athism ( wrong ).
Warm relations with Singapore that were kept real quiet for obvious reasons.
Cordial relations with Iran till the institution of the Islamic Republic.
Various relations with African states, where Israel dispenced military agricultural and medical training and equipment, sometimes being at odds with european, american and soviet interests.

Solid relations with various factions around the ME.

USA has armed them from the start.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by GePap
You forget good relations with the Chinese since the Chinese thaw with the US.

So so relations with India, verying relations with Latin America.

Lets note that the French were very important in Israel becoming a nuclear state-something the US did not want.

The Israelis were big supporters of continued French rule in Algeria.

Then explain the rumor that LB Johnson gave them the bomb.

[Commy]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
Israel a victim from France ?
The Native Americans victim of France ?

Not serious indeed.

Nope, and I wasn't trying to be serious either...nice thing about democracies, you don't have to deal with the same leader (or royal family) 200 years later...on the other hand, I can't speak for a country like Cuba...