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  • #1

    Eternal friends of Israel

    Basically, I'm looking for some information about foreign relations of the state of Israel. What I am interested in is years in which allegiances have shifted.

    For example:

    France: pro Israel from some year to some year (even helped with nukes), then changed opinion

    Britain: against Israel since 1948. or something, changed opinion (when?)

    SSSR: initially pro, changed after Yom Kippur?

    US: ?

    Turkey: ? (I know there is joint military training now)

    Yugoslavia: initially pro, changed when unaligned movement begun in order not to piss off Arabs

    Other countries: ...?

    And so on. Some relations probably changed from good to bad multiple times. If you know exact years, I'd be most grateful.
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    The Soviets helped the Egyptians and Syrians to arm up for the six day war. I suppose this could be viewed as an anit-Israeli policy.
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    • #3
      France -excellent till 67', soured after that.
      Britain - obviously bad after independence, but soon improved, when they thought they could use us in 56'. normal since then.
      USA - rather cool till 64' - cordial after that.
      USSR - ok until early 50s, when USSR thought they could take the ME by coopting ba'athism ( wrong ).
      Warm relations with Singapore that were kept real quiet for obvious reasons.
      Cordial relations with Iran till the institution of the Islamic Republic.
      Various relations with African states, where Israel dispenced military agricultural and medical training and equipment, sometimes being at odds with european, american and soviet interests.

      Solid relations with various factions around the ME.
      urgh.NSFW

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      • #4
        Thank you Az.

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        • #5
          France was for Israel when it fighted for survival. When it was clear that Israel had build an unequalled military in ME, we though that the end of the problem could not be found without considering a political solution for the Palestinian. This view is not against Israel, as it is not in the only interest of the Palestinian.
          Statistical anomaly.
          The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DAVOUT
            France was for Israel when it fighted for survival. When it was clear that Israel had build an unequalled military in ME, we though that the end of the problem could not be found without considering a political solution for the Palestinian. This view is not against Israel, as it is not in the only interest of the Palestinian.
            Translation: Good relations with the Arabs are more beneficial for France's interests.
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            • #7
              France was for Israel when it fighted for survival. When it was clear that Israel had build an unequalled military in ME, we though that the end of the problem could not be found without considering a political solution for the Palestinian. This view is not against Israel, as it is not in the only interest of the Palestinian.




              Man, this is some funny stuff. Israel certainly didn't have an unrivaled military by 67' when relations soured - if you'll remind yourself of that tiny little war that occured 6 years later and had the biggest armored battles since WWII. I mean, it might look good on a poster, but it can't be true.
              urgh.NSFW

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Eli


                Translation: Good relations with the Arabs are more beneficial for France's interests.
                Translation: Israel friends are not allowed to discuss with Palestinians.
                Statistical anomaly.
                The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Az
                  France was for Israel when it fighted for survival. When it was clear that Israel had build an unequalled military in ME, we though that the end of the problem could not be found without considering a political solution for the Palestinian. This view is not against Israel, as it is not in the only interest of the Palestinian.




                  Man, this is some funny stuff. Israel certainly didn't have an unrivaled military by 67' when relations soured - if you'll remind yourself of that tiny little war that occured 6 years later and had the biggest armored battles since WWII. I mean, it might look good on a poster, but it can't be true.
                  Would you accept the idea that a 4 millions people country able to fight the biggest armored battle since WWII, successfully if not at no cost, is not far from being militarily unequalled (although it could be rivaled).
                  Statistical anomaly.
                  The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                  • #10
                    IIRC the war 73 was pretty tough for Israel though, hardly an easy thing....
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BeBro
                      IIRC the war 73 was pretty tough for Israel though, hardly an easy thing....
                      Agree. Anyway, it was a hard fight won in six days. Impressive under any standard. Even the US took 20 days to win the Irak war. Nobody said it was miserable, on the contrary, it was commented as the perfect demonstration of the US invincibility.
                      Statistical anomaly.
                      The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                      • #12
                        Would you accept the idea that a 4 millions people country able to fight the biggest armored battle since WWII, successfully if not at no cost, is not far from being militarily unequalled (although it could be rivaled).


                        It's as far as could be from unrivaled - It's against the definition of the word- after all, It was rivaled at 73'! I mean, you've said that before 67' Israel was fighting for it's survival, but I mean, even if you close your eyes to the documents for 67', the general position of forces around the region was such that Israel couldn't under any definition be considered safe from invasion at 67' and later: It was surrounded by hostile forces, that were also powerful enough to match it in battle - Hardly a one-sided affair. Our superior training and morale was met with immensly larger numbers equipped with a technology that met, and often surpassed our own forces'.
                        urgh.NSFW

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                        • #13

                          Agree. Anyway, it was a hard fight won in six days. Impressive under any standard. Even the US took 20 days to win the Irak war. Nobody said it was miserable, on the contrary, it was commented as the perfect demonstration of the US invincibility.

                          It took more than 6 days, It took 6 days to win the Six Day War ( hence the name), and that was in 67'. In 73', the fighting was far more.

                          Comparison with Iraq isn't correct, btw - It is huge country, while the west bank is some 100kms wide, the Golan is 50 kms wide, and Sinai is some 200kms wide.
                          urgh.NSFW

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                          • #14
                            You are certainly able to explain why the militarily powerful enemies of Israel have not reiterated any attempt to destroy it for the last 32 years.
                            Statistical anomaly.
                            The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                            • #15
                              Oh, now our conventional military power is unrivaled, and it has been that way since the mid 70s. But it certainly wasn't the case when France soured towards us in 67', before the 6-day war and before the war of 73'.
                              urgh.NSFW

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