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  • #31
    The courts have touched on the issue in the past. From 3 years ago:

    Gay teen wins fight over Catholic prom
    Last Updated Wed, 22 May 2002 17:05:24
    OSHAWA, ONT. - A Roman Catholic high school student celebrated Friday after a judge ruled that the teen has the right to take his boyfriend to an end-of-the-year dance.

    The decision came only hours before the prom was scheduled to begin in Oshawa, Ont., just east of Toronto.

    "I feel at ease now just knowing that we're getting free of discrimination," said Marc Hall, 17, sporting a white tuxedo and blue hair as he prepared to hop in a limousine with his boyfriend.


    Marc Hall

    Ontario Superior Court Justice Robert McKinnon granted the student's request for an injunction against the Durham Catholic District School Board.

    "The idea of equality speaks to the conscience of all humanity dignity and worth," McKinnon wrote in his ruling.

    "Marc Hall is a Roman Catholic Canadian trying to be himself. He is gay. It's not an answer to Section 15 Charter rights on these facts to deny permission to attend a school function to celebrate the end of his high school career with his classmates."

    Hall said he's not worried about encountering anyone at the prom who might be upset about the judge's decision.

    "Most them support me anyway, so I'm just going to go have fun with them," he told reporters.

    Hall launched the case after officials told him not to bring his 21-year-old boyfriend to the dance at Monsignor John Pereyma Catholic high school.

    Officials acknowledged that Hall has the right to be gay, but said permitting the date would send a message that the church supports his "homosexual lifestyle."


    FROM MAY 7, 2002: Gay student a 'bad example' says school board

    The board had argued that allowing a gay student to bring a date to a Catholic function is "not consistent with teachings of the church." Officials told McKinnon that if Hall doesn't accept the faith's beliefs he could always go to a public school.

    But Hall said his rights were being violated because the ruling was based solely on his sexual orientation.


    FROM MAY 6, 2002: Gay teen takes Catholic school to court over prom date

    His lawyer, David Corbett, argued that the school board doesn't have such sweeping powers under the Constitution. He said the ban contravened the Ontario Human Rights Code, the Education Act, and the provincial Code of Conduct.

    The school board said it's disappointed by Friday's decision, but will abide by the judge's ruling. It also plans to keep fighting in court.

    Hall said he, too, is ready for any appeal.

    "I'm prepared to take it to trial in order to set a precedent so that nobody else will have to go through what I had to go through," Hall told reporters.
    "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
    "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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    • #32
      Marc Hall is ugly and completely flamboyant now, BTW.

      He goes to the University of Waterloo (same school as the SO) and seems to think he's a massive celebrity with a chip on his shoulder.
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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      • #33
        ...and he has discontinued the appeal (financial reasons AFAIK).
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Wezil
          Gay "marriage" wasn't the agenda a decade ago.

          The agenda moving forward in this country appears to be to force compliance (read: acceptance) by the churches. The campaign to remove their tax free status has already begun. This will be accomplished by showing the Church practices and beliefs are in conflict with the Charter.


          Remove the tax exemption status from the cults, I say! We don't need to have government-sponsored brainwashing. It ruins potentially good people.
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          • #35
            Fair enough position but unfair for others to label Ben as 'paranoid' when his concerns are valid.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Wezil
              Fair enough position but unfair for others to label Ben as 'paranoid' when his concerns are valid.
              Really? I still await any example where a church has even been seriously in danger of losing its tax exempt status over not allowing someone to throw a party on its premesis. Since receptions aren't generally considered part of church ceremony, nor are they even usually held on church grounds, I have to wonder why anyone would think a church would be required to host a reception when they don't even have to host the wedding. It's a pretty damned silly thing to think.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Boris Godunov


                Really? I still await any example where a church has even been seriously in danger of losing its tax exempt status over not allowing someone to throw a party on its premesis. Since receptions aren't generally considered part of church ceremony, nor are they even usually held on church grounds, I have to wonder why anyone would think a church would be required to host a reception when they don't even have to host the wedding. It's a pretty damned silly thing to think.
                For the same reason you can't ban a gay student from bringing his boyfriend to a Catholic Highschool dance. Churches often have reception halls that they rent out. If they rent to some then they must rent to all. Not silly at all, and if we are both still posting here a few years from now I will be glad to post the case showing how wrong you are.

                My quick Google search (use the .ca suffix) shows this is a very real issue.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Wezil
                  For the same reason you can't ban a gay student from bringing his boyfriend to a Catholic Highschool dance.
                  Catholic Highschool = Public Money....
                  "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                  • #39
                    As is "tax-free" in a sense since we all pay more to make up the difference.
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                    • #40
                      What is the extent of status?

                      Do churches pay:
                      a) property taxes
                      b) gst
                      c) corporate (?) taxes

                      Do church employees pay:
                      a) gst
                      b) provincial sales taxes
                      c) payroll taxes
                      d) income taxes
                      e) ei
                      f) the Ontario health premium
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                      • #41
                        Protect? An odd word.

                        But whether a church can discriminate against people who want to rent its facilities would be determined by existing laws. So there is no need to cover it in the new law.
                        Right, and we all know how that will be resolved.
                        Last edited by Ben Kenobi; June 29, 2005, 12:26.
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                        • #42
                          Are you really this paranoid?

                          Can you cite me any instance where any church was forced to host a reception "and the rest" at all?

                          The notion that legalizing gay marriage will force any church to do something like this is simply absurd.


                          Right, Boris. Paranoid I am, when there is this case that is already being fought! The bill, as worded, provides no protection to religious institutions who do not want to affirm gay marriage.
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                          • #43
                            Remove the tax exemption status from the cults, I say! We don't need to have government-sponsored brainwashing. It ruins potentially good people.
                            Potentially good? So only by leaving the church would they become good people?

                            The churches and their charities take a significant burden off of the states, and they ought to be encouraged to continue doing so.
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                            • #44
                              This must be one of the single greatest things our country has ever done, if only because it bothers Ben so much.

                              Next step - force churches to perform aboritions.
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                              • #45
                                No its the second. The best was legalising abortion in the first place.

                                1000 years from now, that will be Canada's greatest legacy...
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