This is Not America

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Post Dee Dee from Hunter

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by Donegeal
But how do we tell the difference between gang mambers and lawful youths? You want to know the best way to do it? You won't like it: Profiling.

I have no problems with that, as long as the police show some respect it's ok. I have been searched on airports a few times (presumably because of my somewhat punkish appearance), but they are just trying to do their job so I accept it. They are not mind-readers.

[Az]

Combat Ingrid

[Dis]

Originally posted by Donegeal
You guys are a bunch of *******s.

I'm a cop. You hate me? Why? We're just trying to do our ****ing jobs without getting killed. And then we have to put up with **** heads like you guys.

90% of you *******s are so wrapped up in your own **** that you have no idea of what its like on the other side. All were trying to do is keep people safe, including ourselves.

Okay... sorry about the language, and the insults. We are human too and we need to vent sometimes too.

It's called privacy. Cops always say we don't know how it feels to be a cop. Well, cops don't know how it feels to be an innocent citizen and being harrassed by the cops.

cops don't know the consititution. We are innocent until proven guilty. We're sick and tired of being treated like we are guilty by the cops.

It's real ****ing simple. You see someone break the law you arrest them. You see someone walking down the street, you leave them alone.

I will not back down. I don't care what cop sees this, anyone who harrasses innocent civilians walking down the streets are ****ing *******s who need to lose their jobs.

[Dis]

http://sun3.lib.uci.edu/~dtsang/lostprin.htm

[Dis]

the ****ing constitution. **** those ********ers whoe can't respect the mother****er.

No person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law ..."

I'll print the whole thing for those who can't get it through their brains.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

[joncha]

Dissident

[chequita guevara]

I'll admit, I looked like an anarchist, especially being scruffy and having long hair and dressed in black. All I wanted to do, however, was go get a new kitty litter box for my kitties. So I got profiled.

The funny thing is, I was heading away from (and many blocks away from already) the protest (of maybe 50 people) when I was accosted. I was heading towards a back way out of the place, so I could avoid all the nonsense going on on 17th St.

The pig said he needed to see my ID, not could he. That's not a request. Looking like I did, I wasn't about to give them any reason to toss my ass in a bus with plastic handcuffs and wait until someone could bail me out.

Now, it's true that the area is a terrorist target, not just because of the foreign ministers, but also beause there is a huge fuel depo right next to the store (and the convention site). Anarchists do petty vandalism, not major terrorist attacks. Terrorists don't dress like protestors or mingle with protestors because they are trying to avoid attention. The crack down on protestors has nothing to with terrorism.

One pig was seriously scowling at me, so I smiled at him. I smile at lots of people. I'm a pretty ****in' happy guy since I moved to Ft. Lauderdale. He just stared at me and kept scowling. WtH? I was being friendly and polite.

[Az]

G-D good for nuthin' punk.

[Donegeal]

Well Che, I'm not sure what Florida law states regarding the search of your bag, but I do remember reading some case in NM (I believe) where it was determined that if an officer asks/demands to see an ID, you are required to show it to them if you have it (I am in no way argueing for or against this, I'm just stating that I have seen it). Most likely the search of your bag had something to do with probable cause. What that probable cause would have been I don't know. Perhaps an officer saw you attempting to avoid the area and thought that you were actually trying to sneak away after you did something wrong, then got other officers to back him up just in case he was right and you might cause trouble.

As for the scowl, well, I admit that I do that too. Not really sure why. Perhaps its from over 7 years of constantly being untrusted, berated, lied too and scrutinized with a microscope (amongst other things). Please remember that just because your getting scowled at doesn't mean that your disliked, its usually that the person probably has alot of other unpleasent scenerios running through his head in an attempt to be as prepared for any eventuality that may araise.

[Donegeal]

Originally posted by Dissident


It's called privacy. Cops always say we don't know how it feels to be a cop. Well, cops don't know how it feels to be an innocent citizen and being harrassed by the cops.

Cops are citizens as well and know fully what it is like to be one.

It's real ****ing simple. You see someone break the law you arrest them. You see someone walking down the street, you leave them alone.

I wish it were that simple. My job also includes trying to prevent laws from being broken.

I will not back down. I don't care what cop sees this, anyone who harrasses innocent civilians walking down the streets are ****ing *******s who need to lose their jobs.

And I agree with you, however, your appearent definition of harrassment and that of the state seem to differ.

[Donegeal]

Originally posted by Dissident
the ****ing constitution. **** those ********ers whoe can't respect the mother****er.



I'll print the whole thing for those who can't get it through their brains.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

This is great! Someone, not sure who, decided that the environment Che was in constutited a "public danger". Now if you dislike the vagueness of "public danger" perhaps you should attempt to alter the bill of rights so it fits your particular view.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Donegeal
Well Che, I'm not sure what Florida law states regarding the search of your bag, but I do remember reading some case in NM (I believe) where it was determined that if an officer asks/demands to see an ID, you are required to show it to them if you have it (I am in no way argueing for or against this, I'm just stating that I have seen it).

IIRC, this went to the Supreme Court and they sided with the police.

[chequita guevara]

Crap, the Prez is gonna be here today. That's gonna snarl up traffic.

edit: Actually, he's driving past my apartment.

[chequita guevara]

Oh the irony

"Wherever a free society is in retreat, a fear society is on the offensive. And the weapon of choice for every authoritarian regime is the organized cruelty of the police state.'' - Condi Rice, delivered yesterday at the OAS while I was getting harrassed by the cops.