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Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah -
Re: Oh the irony
And the weapon of choice for most criminals is violence.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
"Wherever a free society is in retreat, a fear society is on the offensive. And the weapon of choice for every authoritarian regime is the organized cruelty of the police state.'' - Condi Rice, delivered yesterday at the OAS while I was getting harrassed by the cops.
A police officer friend of mine says the scariest thing in the world for him is pulling somebody over. For all he knows, the guy is armed and might take a shot at him.
Being a policeman is not a safe job. They take their lives in their hands EVERY TIME they check into work.
Maybe we should keep this in mind as we judge them
Keep on Civin'
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Scariest thing for me is to BE pulled over by the cops, or have a cop behind me, or anywhere around me.
If a criminal does something to me, then the police will nab him, or I can sue him in court, or something. If a cop plants drugs on me, or beats me, or locks me up for no reason, then its much harder to protect myself. Usually it'll come down to the cop's word against mine, and the courts always believe the cop.
Oh he shot me? Well he thought I was going for a weapon. Can you prove otherwise? Nope.
The police scare me.Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - RahComment
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I don't see any problem with what the police did. Once the police thought I was robbing my own house and they made me get down in dog **** by scaring the piss out of me. I was pissed about that just because they were stupid.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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So you are more afraid of police than criminals?Originally posted by OzzyKP
Scariest thing for me is to BE pulled over by the cops, or have a cop behind me, or anywhere around me.
If a criminal does something to me, then the police will nab him, or I can sue him in court, or something. If a cop plants drugs on me, or beats me, or locks me up for no reason, then its much harder to protect myself. Usually it'll come down to the cop's word against mine, and the courts always believe the cop.
Oh he shot me? Well he thought I was going for a weapon. Can you prove otherwise? Nope.
The police scare me.
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Nah, that case in NM was that the person being questioned could be compelled to give his name if the law in his jurisdiction required, not produce an ID. Again, what the cop did for che was probably against the law, strictly speaking.Well Che, I'm not sure what Florida law states regarding the search of your bag, but I do remember reading some case in NM (I believe) where it was determined that if an officer asks/demands to see an ID, you are required to show it to them if you have it (I am in no way argueing for or against this, I'm just stating that I have seen it). Most likely the search of your bag had something to do with probable cause. What that probable cause would have been I don't know. Perhaps an officer saw you attempting to avoid the area and thought that you were actually trying to sneak away after you did something wrong, then got other officers to back him up just in case he was right and you might cause trouble.Last edited by DanS; June 6, 2005, 10:52.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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The police are an important part of society. As much as many would like to do without them, they are needed.
And whenever you are victim of a crime, you see how important they can be
Yes, there are some bad cops... just like there are bad people in all professions. But to paint all police as bad because of a few is just plain silly. Most policeman are good and a credit to the community.Keep on Civin'
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Except when they police protests. Somethin' about a protest that gets a cops testosterone flowing. Despite the myth, the vast majority of protest violence is started by the cops, not the protestors.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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I feel as though I need to be protected against anarchists in my neighborhood who use protests as a cover for violence. The cops are the ones for that job.
I think I'm in an atypical neighborhood, though.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Do you have any proof to back that up? I would love to see stats on that from a non biased source...Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Despite the myth, the vast majority of protest violence is started by the cops, not the protestors.Keep on Civin'
RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron OComment
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Well of course.Originally posted by Ming
The police are an important part of society. As much as many would like to do without them, they are needed.
And whenever you are victim of a crime, you see how important they can be
Yes, there are some bad cops... just like there are bad people in all professions. But to paint all police as bad because of a few is just plain silly. Most policeman are good and a credit to the community.
So tell me how valuing privacy of citizens contradicts with valuing good police officers?
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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It get's the adrenaline flowing, and it happens to everyone.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Except when they police protests. Somethin' about a protest that gets a cops testosterone flowing. Despite the myth, the vast majority of protest violence is started by the cops, not the protestors.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Just personal experience. "Official" sources always claim protesters start the violence, and the lap-dog media always accepts this claim, even when they have evidence contradicting it.Originally posted by Ming
Do you have any proof to back that up? I would love to see stats on that from a non biased source...Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Just personal experience. "Official" sources always claim protesters start the violence, and the lap-dog media always accepts this claim, even when they have evidence contradicting it.
Documented evidence. At the FTAA protests a few years back, the police arrested Jaggi Singh, a well-known Canadian activist, for possession of an offensive weapon. The weapon in question was a particularly wheezy catapult, which was used by other protesters to fire small stuffed animals over the fence that the police had erected for the occasion. Singh was ambushed by plainclothes cops. This is the second time such a thing had happened to him: in the previous case he was arrested for using a megaphone. Unknown to the police, cameras captured both incidents. Both were "preventative arrests" which is illegal under Canadian law.
At the same protest Singh was first arrested at, police pepper sprayed peaceful protesters in an unnecessary and provocative act, all for the benefit of protecting the genocidal Indonesian president from having to see protest signs.
In Barcelona a few years ago, plainclothes police pretended to be protesters and started smashing windows, giving their brethren an excuse to baton the crowd.
Back in New Zealand, my brother was involved in a fees protest a few years ago. He and some other students occupied the university registry (this sort of **** goes on all the time). Eventually they agreed to leave, having made their point, and there was a protest outside to mark the end of the occupation. It was raucous, but everyone was behaving. The police were trying to move the crowd along and a policewoman fell over and broke her ankle. Half a dozen students attempted to help her up and signal for medical assistance. The police and media reported this as an assault on a policewoman. Their case collapsed when video of the event was shown on the news – the chick just falls over and the students next to her drop their signs and help her.
I've seen the police provoke and attack protesters. Some friends of mine got gassed in Quebec city and had rubber bullets fired at them. They weren't doing anything wrong.
To be fair, I have seen protesters throw things at police on a couple of occasions. On both occasions other protesters attempted to stop them doing it.
Most cops are decent, normal people. Apart from the racial profiling thing, they do a good job. I have witnessed one example of police brutality back home in my whole life – some cops goaded a guy into answering them back and then batoned him.
But, when our political overlords decide that they don't like the opinions of certain people being expressed in public, the police are drafted in to intimidate them and beat them up.Only feebs vote.Comment
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Hmmmm... from my personal experience I would say it was just the oppositeOriginally posted by chegitz guevara
Just personal experience. "Official" sources always claim protesters start the violence, and the lap-dog media always accepts this claim, even when they have evidence contradicting it.
"Official protest organization" sources always claim the police start the violence, and the left leaning liberal media always accepts this claim, even when they have evidence contradicting it
Keep on Civin'
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