Tiannanmen Massacre Anniversary

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Ya know, China doesn't seem to have nearly as much trouble enforcing laws against dissidents... maybe they don't want to enforce the child-labor laws?

It's a lot easier to crack down on protestors, who by their nature, are trying to call attention to themselves (as opposed to those using child labor, who are hiding). Child labor users are also dispersed, unlike protestors, who tend to congregate.

[Kuciwalker]

Weak, che.

China could get rid of child labor (well, as much as, say, the US has) if it wanted to. They don't, because it's no harm to the Party and gives them even cheaper labor.

[chequita guevara]

Doesn't matter. It's far easier to crack down on dissidents for the reasons I mentioned. Your original post makes a comparison that's not valid for the reasons I mentioned, regardless of whether it should be easy for China to crack down on child labor.

[Saras]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


No you don't.

teh expert

[pchang]

Child labor occurs in factories whose location is known and cannot easily be moved. If you think child labor exists because it is well hidden, you are very naive.

[pchang]

Originally posted by Saras
teh expert

It's not just Che. Ask Serb or Vagabond. They'll tell you how the Baltics were so much better off under Soviet rule.

[Saras]

Originally posted by pchang
It's not just Che. Ask Serb or Vagabond. They'll tell you how the Baltics were so much better off under Soviet rule.

But they were! Just ask "the people"!

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Saras


Former Soviet republics of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia seem to be doing pretty fine, thank you.

Relative to a lot of developing countries, you're right.

There are a number of reasons why these countries are developing and one of the reasons for the success is the small population in each country. All three are what? 6 million people in total.

It's much easier to train a civil service, police, judges, etc for a small population like that so that a government can enforce laws and keep corruption lower.

Britain has 2 police officers per 1,000 people

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-B/cri_pol_cap

Using that ratio, for Lithuania's 3.5 million people. the country would need to train and monitor 7,000 policemen. Compare that to China which needs to train and monitor 2.6 million police officers.

Obviously, it will take China much more time to properly train its police.

We can do the same comparison for judges, lawyers, environmental protection officers, labour inspectors, teachers, etc.

Once again, it can't be done overnight.,

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Weak, che.

China could get rid of child labor (well, as much as, say, the US has) if it wanted to. They don't, because it's no harm to the Party and gives them even cheaper labor.

The party doesn't need cheap labour, capitalists do.

[pchang]

Have you taken a good look at the party lately?

[Saras]

Originally posted by Tingkai


Relative to a lot of developing countries, you're right.

There are a number of reasons why these countries are developing and one of the reasons for the success is the small population in each country. All three are what? 6 million people in total.

It's much easier to train a civil service, police, judges, etc for a small population like that so that a government can enforce laws and keep corruption lower.

Britain has 2 police officers per 1,000 people

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-B/cri_pol_cap

Using that ratio, for Lithuania's 3.5 million people. the country would need to train and monitor 7,000 policemen. Compare that to China which needs to train and monitor 2.6 million police officers.

Obviously, it will take China much more time to properly train its police.

We can do the same comparison for judges, lawyers, environmental protection officers, labour inspectors, teachers, etc.

Once again, it can't be done overnight.,

You're right, of course, that it's easier for small countries, but there are ways for big ones to cope as well, as long as there is political will.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Tingkai
The party doesn't need cheap labour, capitalists do.

When the Party is the government is the capitalist...

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Relative to a lot of developing countries, you're right.

There are a number of reasons why these countries are developing and one of the reasons for the success is the small population in each country. All three are what? 6 million people in total.

It's much easier to train a civil service, police, judges, etc for a small population like that so that a government can enforce laws and keep corruption lower.

Britain has 2 police officers per 1,000 people

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-B/cri_pol_cap

Using that ratio, for Lithuania's 3.5 million people. the country would need to train and monitor 7,000 policemen. Compare that to China which needs to train and monitor 2.6 million police officers.

Obviously, it will take China much more time to properly train its police.

We can do the same comparison for judges, lawyers, environmental protection officers, labour inspectors, teachers, etc.

Once again, it can't be done overnight.,

Yes, but can it be done over 5,844 nights?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by pchang
Have you taken a good look at the party lately?

Point conceded.

But labor is cheap in China, with the exception of Shenzhen.

I think kickbacks are the bigger and more destructive problem, particularly at the local level.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Yes, but can it be done over 5,844 nights?

I doubt it.

You do the numbers. How long would it take for a developed country to train 2.6 million policemen?

Or using the U.S. ratios from nationmaster, how long would it take to train 120,000 judges. Or at best guess, 500,000 lawyers?

Think about the resources requires to start up universities, the money, the construction time. And of course to have qualified university students, there needs to be a solid elementary and secondary school system. China has relative good schools in its city, but its relative to the country's economy which is under-developed.

Political will is not enough to overcome the barriers of reality.