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    China keeps close eye on dissent
    Friday, June 3, 2005 Posted: 11:02 PM EDT (0302 GMT)

    BEIJING, China (Reuters) -- Tight security blanketed China's capital on Saturday, the 16th anniversary of the bloody end to the Tiananmen Square democracy movement, with the leadership fearful of any protest that could threaten its grip on power.

    Uniformed and plainclothes police fanned out around the square and dissenters were kept under guard in their homes for the date made more sensitive this year by the death of Zhao Ziyang, a top leader who was ousted for sympathizing with the student demonstrators.

    Hundreds were killed on the night of June 3-4, 1989, when troops and tanks rolled into Beijing and, in the face of opposition from the city's residents, seized control of the square that had been occupied by student demonstrators.

    The movement was sparked by the death of purged reformist party chief Hu Yaobang, a worrying memory for the Communist leadership concerned that Zhao's death under house arrest in Beijing could have a similarly galvanizing effect.

    But prosperity brought by three decades of economic reforms has dimmed discontent, and sporadic protests by rural poor are quickly put down.

    Nonetheless, the sensitivity of the date was underscored by remarks made by China's Foreign Ministry spokesman this week that indicated the government would not consider changing its verdict on the wave of activism in the spring of 1989 it has dubbed a counter-revolutionary rebellion.

    "China's development in various areas, the advance of reforms, the expansion of the opening up and the strengthening of democracy and rule by law, have all proven the decision made at that time was right," Kong Quan told a news briefing.

    In the past year China has also closed journals, stifled academic debate and detained journalists, most recently a Hong Kong-based reporter for Singapore's Straits Times, in signals that President Hu Jintao's government is unlikely to embrace reform.

    While China has recovered the international prestige it lost in the violent suppression of the movement, 1989 still hangs over its diplomacy in the European Union's arms embargo.

    The EU imposed a ban on arms sales to China following the violence in 1989, and last month urged it to free Tiananmen dissidents and ratify a U.N. pact on civil and political rights to create a climate that would allow it to lift the embargo.

    China rejects any linking of the arms embargo with its human rights record.
    Another quiet anniversary to the massacre is passing here today. The question to ask is, has anything really changed?

    I say that economically, China has changed considerably for the good. But politically it has not changed from 1989 at all, if not becoming worse.
    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
    "Capitalism ho!"

  • #2
    Already a thread on this...
    The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

    The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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    • #3
      Well, this thread is for discussion. Tass, has asked for a silent remembrance in his.

      So mods, please keep this open for discussion purposes.
      “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
      "Capitalism ho!"

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      • #4
        You do know that "silent rememberance" is Tass-speak for "spam me like there's no tomorrow before I'm locked in favor of a legitimate discussion thread" right?
        The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

        The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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        • #5
          Anyhoo, I agree. Nothing has changed politically in China. What's-his-face that replaced Zhao doesn't seem to have proven to be all that effective in not being like his predecessor in changing things. Seems like he's still toeing the People's Party line.
          The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

          The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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          • #6
            [urban ranger] there was no massacre. you have no proof[/urban ranger]
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            • #7
              And you're trying to destroy communism! You criminal!

              oh, wait...
              Stop Quoting Ben

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              • #8
                [Agathon]Hah! Those idiot rabble rousers got what they deserved! China is a peaceful nation that would never attack anyone without a good reason.[/Agathon]
                “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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                • #9
                  Point me to where I ever claimed that about Tiananmen.

                  And China is a much better place today than it was 15 years ago.
                  Only feebs vote.

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                  • #10
                    Oh relax. You know I'd pick you over Asher any day
                    “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                    ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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                    • #11
                      Nice troll though.
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • #12
                        Capitalists made them do it.
                        In da butt.
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                        • #13
                          Does anybody in China still care, or are the Chinese all absorbed into a consumer/nationalistic frenzy that makes them apathetic to internal problems?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by pchang
                            Oh relax. You know I'd pick you over Asher any day
                            You prefer the submissive bears to the dominant twinks?

                            For shame.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Agathon
                              Point me to where I ever claimed that about Tiananmen.

                              And China is a much better place today than it was 15 years ago.
                              Economically, I'll agree. People can now buy cars and own homes.

                              But politically, what have we got?

                              -Newpaper reporters arrested under spurious claims of treason and espionage

                              -Protests obviously manipulated for political ends.

                              -Threats if 'wrong' type of protests occur

                              -Salutes to other another country for violently crackdown on a political protest

                              -Restriction of information that can be obtained on the net (ie Google)

                              -The increased presence of URs on internet forums and other places of discussion

                              This all in the past few months. I don't even want to go into the conversation I had with some people yesterday. It was like arguing with fundamentalists.

                              Forgot two important ones.
                              Last edited by DaShi; June 5, 2005, 00:47.
                              “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                              "Capitalism ho!"

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