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  • #61
    Originally posted by BlackCat


    The topic of the thread ISN'T about how the muslim world read the story - it is about the bad quality of the newsweek research of the story.

    I know It's Oerdins thread, but I think he will agree.

    Thread Police,

    The aftereffects of that story are just as important, and it is important to understand WHY they happened.
    We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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    • #62
      Originally posted by DinoDoc
      BlackCat: This will continue for as long as you wish it to and Ted will still not see the point.
      I see he has adopted your "run for cover" strategy.
      We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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      • #63
        Originally posted by BlackCat


        Nah, take a look at

        Apolyton Civilization Site
        http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=133519


        Couldnt be bothered to read through the whole thread...your point?

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Harry Tuttle


          No, some Americans too. I would have commented in this thread if it had remained on topic, but unfortunately the back seat activists have turned it into an American bashing thread.
          1, What do you mean by backseat activists?

          2, Why one earth would you considder criticism of torture being conducted in US prisons bashing of Americans????

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Ted Striker
            I see he has adopted your "run for cover" strategy.
            I believe you're the one ignoring the point of the thread.
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #66
              Nope, I already addressed it

              Secondly, come back and post when you have the courage to actually have an opinion

              I thought dinosaurs were supposed to be bold, not like a rodent that steals other people's food and just scurries off when it gets caught. Or, a more appropriate metaphor would be a weasel.

              Thanks
              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Ted Striker



                Thread Police,

                The aftereffects of that story are just as important, and it is important to understand WHY they happened.
                Are you saying that it is impossible to discuss quality of journalism as an seperate issue ?

                Of course bad journalism has aftereffects, that is one of the serious problems about it, but to drown the discussion in these aftereffects doesn't really do anything good about preventing bad journalism.

                You have a very weak point about the environment that allowed an unchecked story go public, but is that an excuse for newsweek to print a nonverified story ?

                What really intererest me is what mechanisms was shortcut in this case. They knew that it was a story that would make headlines; they knew that their information wasn't confirmed, but still they printed it. Why ?
                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                Steven Weinberg

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by atawa


                  Couldnt be bothered to read through the whole thread...your point?
                  You don't have to - page one should be enough (evene without reading the OP).
                  With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                  Steven Weinberg

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by BlackCat
                    What really intererest me is what mechanisms was shortcut in this case. They knew that it was a story that would make headlines; they knew that their information wasn't confirmed, but still they printed it. Why ?
                    Argh!!!! Abu Gharib! Torture! Argh!
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by BlackCat

                      Are you saying that it is impossible to discuss quality of journalism as an seperate issue ?
                      No, just as it is not impossible to add in the effects of the story. You're just being anal.

                      is that an excuse for newsweek to print a nonverified story ?
                      You're completely missing the relationship between them publishing a story and the effects of it. And no it's not an excuse and never once have I made excuses for Newsweek. Maybe you missed the part where I said they should be brought up on charges.

                      The reason what they did was so severe was the effects that their story had ON AN ALREADY TENSE SITUATION. The situation was already tense because of what I have pointed out, which were the past abuses of the US. Get it?

                      What really intererest me
                      What interests YOU is not what everybody is else is interested in. Is that a hard concept to grasp?
                      We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Ted Striker
                        Nope, I already addressed it
                        Actually, you have done anything else than that (ok, almost).
                        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                        Steven Weinberg

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                        • #72
                          Anal Thread Police,

                          Sorry, you do not define what direction a thread takes. Just because you don't like the topic at hand.

                          Thanks

                          This DL is beginning to bore me.
                          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                          • #73
                            Recycling..

                            Originally posted by BlackCat
                            They knew that it was a story that would make headlines; they knew that their information wasn't confirmed, but still they printed it. Why ?
                            Originally posted by Winston
                            I suspect part of the answer depends on their determination to make the administration look bad.

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                            • #74
                              Winston: The sad part is that CBS will likely look at Newsweek in envy when the wrist slaps they suffered aren't even handed out.
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Ted Striker


                                No, just as it is not impossible to add in the effects of the story. You're just being anal.
                                Ouch, we are getting desperate aren't we ? No arguments ? well just pull out the good ole weapon - personal insults.

                                You're completely missing the relationship between them publishing a story and the effects of it. And no it's not an excuse and never once have I made excuses for Newsweek. Maybe you missed the part where I said they should be brought up on charges.
                                Where has I ever stated that there are no relationship between the story and the effects ?


                                The reason what they did was so severe was the effects that their story had ON AN ALREADY TENSE SITUATION. The situation was already tense because of what I have pointed out, which were the past abuses of the US. Get it?
                                If you really think that the effects of the story was so bad, why are you then trying so hard to change the subject from the false story to something about torture ?

                                What interests YOU is not what everybody is else is interested in. Is that a hard concept to grasp?
                                Oh, very nice of you to tell me that I'm not allowed to have an opinion different than yours and that you are representative for all others. If you want to discuss torture, fine with me, but that isn't the topic of this thread.
                                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                                Steven Weinberg

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