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Originally posted by Ted Striker
It's not a mystery at all
We already set the enviornment by all the torture crap that has gone down
So when they heard the story, of course they believed it
Is that a reason for not checking if it is true or not ?
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Originally posted by atawa
Too easy but anyway: How do you know these activists dont know what they are talking about? Most information comes from former prisoners, some from the red cross and even the FBI. I'd say they know a lot more about this subject then anyone on this forum or the general public.
You could ask a 5 year old whether it's nicer to pressure people or not to pressure them. But that doesn't make him an expert on the situations where such pressure is likely to occur.
And... after several hints have already been given, I'd like to ask if it wouldn't be more appropriate to start a new thread on "torture", instead of continuing to threadjack what I consider to be a very important subject by itself.
Originally posted by atawa
A bit hard for someone in Afganistan to check if it's true...
What are you talking about ? The newsweek journalists are in US not Afghanistan.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Originally posted by BlackCat
I thought that the OP was supposed to start a discussion about the results of bad journalism but I seem to be wrong.
That was what I wanted to discuss. I doubt anything will happen to Newsweek other then they'll catch some flack from their cometitors for the next few days and maybe a few of us who pay attention will trust them a little less in the future. I wish something would happen to them to punish them for publishing unsupported rumors based on the word of one source who really couldn't back up his claim with details. I know editors are under pressure to sell papers and sensationalist stories is a good way to pump up sales but dropping a bomb like the original claim will end up getting people killed. In deed 15 people were killed in riots in Afghanistan the day it was published.
Shouldn't media companies be a bit more careful about checking their sources when the story might get people killed?
You could ask a 5 year old whether it's nicer to pressure people or not to pressure them. But that doesn't make him an expert on the situations where such pressure is likely to occur.
So you're saying former prisoners cant judge if they were tortured or not becouse they are not experts on torture????
And... after several hints have already been given, I'd like to ask if it wouldn't be more appropriate to start a new thread on "torture", instead of continuing to threadjack what I consider to be a very important subject by itself.
Well judging from your post you're happily joining in the threadjack so stop complaining
The really sad part is they new the factual basis for the story was shaky and ran with it anyway. What kind of breakdown in procedure has to happen for that to occur?
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That's Abu Gerrab not Gitmo and that was always illegal. The people who did that are in jail now.
According to the Memo that was approved by the White House, fixed positions are legal, and the memo was specifically prepared by Alberto Gonzales for the War on Terror, before anyone ever stepped foot in Iraq.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln
You could ask a 5 year old whether it's nicer to pressure people or not to pressure them. But that doesn't make him an expert on the situations where such pressure is likely to occur.
And... after several hints have already been given, I'd like to ask if it wouldn't be more appropriate to start a new thread on "torture", instead of continuing to threadjack what I consider to be a very important subject by itself.
IT IS 100% relavent to the topic at hand and is directly related to the story.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln
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