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**The Emperor Fabulous** · April 25, 2005, 01:13

Right, my mistake...I always get those two mixed up, like when I forgot which one wrote "Puff the Magic Dragon"

**Rufus T. Firefly** · April 25, 2005, 01:15

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Wow I thought Christ was the heart of the church, and he affirms the beauty of the union between a man and a woman in marriage.

I don't see where he tells married people they have sinned.

You're right: for example, Christ doesn't tell married people that they've sinned if they've used birth control to limit the size of their family to a number they can actually support. For that matter, it's hard to picture Christ insisting that it's better for a man to infect his wife with AIDS than to protect her by using a prophylactic.

The Church, on the other hand, believes both those things.

Never, ever, confuse Christ and the Church, Ben.

**Ted Striker** · April 25, 2005, 01:16

Christ

Church

**chequita guevara** · April 25, 2005, 01:19

Originally posted by Lancer
Zkrib, I watched a show that blamed the Catholics for the notion that MM was a hooker, but I don't know. I also can't imagine what they stood to gain by such a position.

It wasn't merely the Catholics. It was the whole ancient Church. According to some, the reason is because of the split between Peter (and Paul) and Mary . . .

Anyway, Peter wanted to lead the disciples but Mary had a strong following as well as her own Gospel tradition, which taught differently. In order for one view to win out, the other needed to be discreditted.

What they did was take the woman who was being stoned and say she was Mary, though there is nothing in the Gospels that suggests that this is true. Mary was also a common name, and the woman who washed Jesus' feet with her tears and dried them with her hair was also named Mary. So the Church just conflated them. Basically, any woman was wasn't Jesus' mother, also named Mary, was now the Magdelene.

Since Magdelene was now an ex-whore, she lost credibility as an apostle.

**chequita guevara** · April 25, 2005, 01:20

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Christ

Church

Christchurch!

**Ben Kenobi** · April 25, 2005, 01:20

Yeah, but how many of them were former pagan Goddesses?

Dunno. St. Theresa of Avila? St. Therese of the child Jesus? St. Teresa of Portugal?

And that's just one name, off the top of my head.

How many of them are real live women who lived their faith?

**Ben Kenobi** · April 25, 2005, 01:24

Christ doesn't tell married people that they've sinned if they've used birth control to limit the size of their family to a number they can actually support. For that matter, it's hard to picture Christ insisting that it's better for a man to infect his wife with AIDS than to protect her by using a prophylactic.

People always have disagreed with Christ. I can't see him insisting that we should defile ourselves by eating with pagans. Or that we should all give our money to the poor.

What I do see him is affirming that the proper place for eros is in marriage, in the union of one man with one woman. All else falls short of that ideal, as sin.

**Imran Siddiqui** · April 25, 2005, 01:27

We are talking about the Catholic Church that forbids women to become priests, right?

**Ben Kenobi** · April 25, 2005, 01:29

Nope.

Female saints in Catholicism.

Why would anyone consider being a priest to be advantageous? It's hard work!

**Imran Siddiqui** · April 25, 2005, 01:31

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Nope.

Female saints in Catholicism.

Um... I asked about female PRIESTS... not saints. Stop avoiding the question, Ben.

Why would anyone consider being a priest to be advantageous? It's hard work!

Ah, the same sort of misogyny which drove similar statements dealing with why would women consider being a CEO to be advantageous... it's hard work, after all.

**chequita guevara** · April 25, 2005, 01:31

If you got the calling, you got the calling. I had the calling, but then two years later God told me to become Jewish. So God apparently was crazy, since I couldn't both be an Episcopalian priest and a Jew.

**Ben Kenobi** · April 25, 2005, 01:37

Imran:

you are talking about that, but that is not the topic at hand.

Ah, the same sort of misogyny which drove similar statements dealing with why would women consider being a CEO to be advantageous... it's hard work, after all.

So becoming a priest has a financial incentive? That I don't see. If your motive as a woman is to gain financial status, the last job you want is to be a priest.

I suggest you answer my question Imran. What are the advantages to being a priest?

**The Emperor Fabulous** · April 25, 2005, 01:37

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
If you got the calling, you got the calling. I had the calling, but then two years later God told me to become Jewish. So God apparently was crazy, since I couldn't both be an Episcopalian priest and a Jew.

I'm pretty sure that the lightening strikes and hurricanes have shown you He likes to **** with you.

And Ben: Good ignorance of those quotes. How is it not misogynistic?

**Capt Dizle** · April 25, 2005, 01:44

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi What are the advantages to being a priest?

Unfettered access to the altar boys?

Sorry, Ben, but really. If I woke up in the morning to find myself a Catholic priest, I'd wallop myself by reflex. Some things are just too grusome for man to forgive.

**Ben Kenobi** · April 25, 2005, 01:44

Do your own work EF

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