Maps of Europe.

[Saras]

The Russians also renamed every single town there. No one, even teh evil Teutonic Knights did that when they came - they merely Germanised them and Gumbine Became Gumbinnen, Ragaine --> Ragnit etc.

[Ben Kenobi]

I believe Hungary is heavily mixed between Protestant and Catholic too. Probably others.

about 6:1 Catholic : Protestant ratio

[Ben Kenobi]

It's a very interesting topic.

What do you think they are going to do with Koenigsberg in the future, saras? Could it be ceded to Poland or to Lithuania?

[Ben Kenobi]

Also interesting, is the case of Latvia. A 4:3:2 ratio of Catholics to Lutherans to Orthos.

[Saras]

I dunno. The rabid nationalists in Russia will scream bloody murder if anyone even hints at that on a serious diplomatic level. Plus no one really wants almost a million poor Russians as new citizens. Plus, despite what some would think, neither we, nor the Poles ever owned that piece of land. Sure, the order was a de facto vassal of the commonwealth at some point in time, but that's hardly enough basis for XXI century land redistribution. It is a tough nut to crack. The Russians will of course continue to use it as their own version of Danzig

[Ben Kenobi]

It's sad.

I'd love to see the Germans get it, since that is where the German side of my family comes from. But do they really want it?

Before the industrial Revolution, you never would have dreamed of Germany without Koenigsberg, yet now it seems so insignificant.

There used to be 300K people in Koenigsberg alone before the industrial revolution, and now there are maybe 400K

[Seeker]

The Lithuanians seem to have the strongest claim according to the final arbitrator of all european land claims, Europa Universalis 2.

[Ben Kenobi]

The Swiss are now majority Catholic too. More Catholics than all Protestant groups combined.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Seeker
The Lithuanians seem to have the strongest claim according to the final arbitrator of all european land claims, Europa Universalis 2.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
It's a very interesting topic.

What do you think they are going to do with Koenigsberg in the future, saras? Could it be ceded to Poland or to Lithuania?

Germany

[Combat Ingrid]

http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/87/343/14958_kaliningrad.html

[Lawrence of Arabia]

More like the nice gifts Wayne Rooney and Steven Gerrard gave to Switerland during Euro2004 when they drubbed the **** out of the Swiss team 3-0 . Though the second Rooney one, off the keeper's head was my favorite, I don't know about you, though.

maybe, but we got the last laugh by spitting all over steven gerrard.

[kronic]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
It's sad.

I'd love to see the Germans get it, since that is where the German side of my family comes from. But do they really want it?

Before the industrial Revolution, you never would have dreamed of Germany without Koenigsberg, yet now it seems so insignificant.

There used to be 300K people in Koenigsberg alone before the industrial revolution, and now there are maybe 400K

Königsberg being ruled by the Russians and several important cities in German history ruled by the Poles is a pain for many Germans. But now, after 60 years, there's not really a way to get that land back (and the Germans know that). The last Germans from there are soon to die. And thanks to flight and expulsion, most of them are already living in the FRG.
Why would we want to have millions of Poles or Russians within our borders ? The feelings towards these nations aren't exactly very friendly. Despite that, after the experiences with the reunification, only few would want to pay the bill for the necessary transfers and investments.

However, we would certainly feel heavily insulted, if Königsberg was given to Poland. This would make the German-Polish relations worse than they already are. But then, I doubt that the Poles would have the guts to take Königsberg.

[Ecthy]

nice app. when I read the thread title I thought he was on about fyrom. once again.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
that religion map is really have assesd.

I agree- Eastern Europe has been the refuge of several Protestant sects, especially Unitarians, and Czechoslovakia was where Jan Hus led the Protestant Hussite revolt.


And no Protestant Swiss ? Calvin would turn in hell.