"We'd love to employ you, but ......."

[Japher]

I always say I want the opportunity for growth, and I do. If that means I need to hop jobs than that is the fault of the company I am with. I am not picky on job growth either. Granted, if I sit in the same position for more than 2 years and have time and time again proved myself worthy of promotion, and don't get it... I will look else where. What I do make clear in the interview is that I need to know the rules of front, and the comes in discussion of management stratagies and promotion basis. While some companies do have this tenure idea I find that some companies are entirely performance based. Which is better? I think a little of both, but I make it clear that I am not going to be happy doing the same thing they are hiring me for in 2 years or so. That there better be room for growth.

I think that is what BK is saying by I'll give you 1 year, and if this job is going nowhere you can shove it.

[pchang]

I think you have characterized what BK said incorrectly. It is more of a "I was committed to those employers, but they were not committed to me. When business was bad, they laid me off. If you are wondering if I will stay with you, the answer is yes, unless you lay me off too."

[Ben Kenobi]

I want somebody for the long-haul, somebody who wants a career not a job. I'll go through the motions, but cut this one short.

Fair enough. Companies looking for people who want a career, ought to be providing them with one, and not just the job.

Too often the 'careers' provided have the following characteristics:

1. Too few hours to make a living wage
2. Too low compensation to do the same

Or some combination of the two.

You want a career, then you should be looking at giving me something I can live off of, not a job where I need to find two others just to make ends meet.

Capische?

[Skanky Burns]

I tend to get the "He interviewed well, but we found someone with more experience"

Due to me not having any relevent experience. The major problem is I am applying for entry-level positions so how can I get experience if I can't get that first job?

[Dis]

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
I tend to get the "He interviewed well, but we found someone with more experience"

Due to me not having any relevent experience. The major problem is I am applying for entry-level positions so how can I get experience if I can't get that first job?

you lie and tell them you have experience .

Or you know someone who can get you in.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Dissident
most of my jobs I've been hired at were for companies that were desparate for people. They had no choice, but to take me.

I think it worked a bit like that for me in the earlier days...but that valuable experience got me where I am now...

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
I tend to get the "He interviewed well, but we found someone with more experience"

Due to me not having any relevent experience. The major problem is I am applying for entry-level positions so how can I get experience if I can't get that first job?

You could do temporary and contract work. Lets them be less worried about hiring the wrong guy as they can replace them more easily. Once you're in you can prove your worth.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Dauphin


You could do temporary and contract work. Lets them be less worried about hiring the wrong guy as they can replace them more easily. Once you're in you can prove your worth.

That has worked for me this time very effectively, and I'm looking at a pretty prompt promotion too...a year or so...

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by duke o' york
MRT:

But that's impossible to judge at interview! Only when you get them to meet the people they'll be working with will you really know.

That's one of the reasons why they called you in for an interview. Of course, some companies have more sensible ways (e.g. meeting the people you would work with) to do so than others.

[Urban Ranger]

Re: Re: "We'd love to employ you, but ......."

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Who got the job? The other person...I was turned down for being 'too confident'.

That means you were too uppity Rich They feared that you wouldn't fit into their company.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Dauphin
You could do temporary and contract work. Lets them be less worried about hiring the wrong guy as they can replace them more easily. Once you're in you can prove your worth.

Also doing work for a non-profit organisation, even as a volunteer, can help you put a foot in the door. Suppose if you help the local Red Cross to fix their computers on a voluntary basis, they may hire you to do more IT work later. You may even pitch them to computerise after you become friendly with the people inside.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by JohnT

I guess I count as a job hopper, but the problem with that assessment is that the jobs have left me, rather than me leaving the jobs. I have the time put in with a variety of different companies, but each time work dried up and I had to look elsewhere for work.

Different problem arises there. When I was in executive recruiting in NY, almost every client we had blackballed anyone, and I mean anyone who had worked for Enron most recently. It was categorically unfair, but they wouldn't budge on it. I spent one dispiriting afternoon on the phone with a 50-year old exec woman from Enron whose entire retirement was gone trying to explain why none of the positions we had would work. It was one of the most heart-rending moments of my professional life (A big **** you to Ken Lay, you sonofa*****).

[JohnT]

Why was that, Boris? Why was "the little guy" blackballed?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Fair enough. Companies looking for people who want a career, ought to be providing them with one, and not just the job.

Too often the 'careers' provided have the following characteristics:

1. Too few hours to make a living wage
2. Too low compensation to do the same

Or some combination of the two.

You want a career, then you should be looking at giving me something I can live off of, not a job where I need to find two others just to make ends meet.

Capische?

In this job market, why should an employer go for that when he can find someone just as qualified who will swallow his pride and give the employer what he wants?

You may think the hours/wages are demeaning, but in most cases, an employer won't offer them unless they can get people for those terms.

I'll never forget the e-mail we got from someone about a job we had posted on our company website. It was for a night-time, part-time document processor, $9/hour. The e-mail basically said, "hey, maybe you'd get people for this job if you offered more than a demeaning wage." Funny enough, that e-mail was sandwiched in between dozens of resume submittals for the same job. We filled it pretty quickly.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by JohnT
Why was that, Boris? Why was "the little guy" blackballed?

It was a woman, and she was blackballed because she had the unfortunate name "Enron" on her resume. She'd done nothing wrong, but companies were so frightened by the fallout from the whole fiasco that they just put down a blanket refusal of Enron employees.