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Being 'part of' would indeed be a nice start.
We started it dammit!!
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It should be noted that the Vatican is no friend of Mugabe. The archbishop in Zimbabwe has gone so far as to suggest a people-power revolution.
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Screw the Vatican, Italy should nab him anyway.
Wow... such a fan of national soveriegnty you are . I guess that means EU countries should nab people like Kissinger in the US to have trials for them
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Originally posted by MikeH
The Pope would have forgiven him any sins and tried to help him mend his ways, like any good Christian would. After all this was the Pope who befriended the guy who shot him.
Love and forgiveness, that's what Christianity is about.
Mugabe has not acknowledged his crimes, much less repented of them. Forgiveness should be given to those who seek it. While he continues to be a murdering totalitarian bastard, he should be shunned. Especially since JP2 didn't think to kindly of him.
It's just very disappointing of the Vatican. Somebody dropped the ball by letting this ******* in. Especially considering the recent "election" in Zimbabwe. The last thing needed as anything that helps give him legitimacy.
Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Wow... such a fan of national soveriegnty you are . I guess that means EU countries should nab people like Kissinger in the US to have trials for them
I seem to recall that the U.S. has on several occasions actually gone into other countries to seize people. So naturally we shouldn't object to countries seizing wanted people within their own borders.
IIRC, the Vatican doesn't have it's own airport. So I would assume Mugabe would have to travel outside of the Vatican to get his flight. The second his car leaves the Vatican, the Italian authorities should swoop in and nab him.
Boris, if we stopped eating with sinners, then we would have to leave this world.
If he showed up uninvited, then yes, the Vatican would feel obligated to try to accomodate him, because it is an opportunity for them to influence him. If they shut the door, then Mugabe's not going to take that as a rebuke.
Secondly, as for the Vatican being part of the EU... /me shudders.
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I seem to recall that the U.S. has on several occasions actually gone into other countries to seize people. So naturally we shouldn't object to countries seizing wanted people within their own borders.
But would the US be ok with, say, Mexican police coming into New Mexico and seizing people? I doubt it.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
I seem to recall that the U.S. has on several occasions actually gone into other countries to seize people. So naturally we shouldn't object to countries seizing wanted people within their own borders.
IIRC, the Vatican doesn't have it's own airport. So I would assume Mugabe would have to travel outside of the Vatican to get his flight. The second his car leaves the Vatican, the Italian authorities should swoop in and nab him.
I'm pretty sure the Vatican has a treaty with Italy preventing that.
Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Yeah, the Vatican is not part of the EU.
We should invade, occupy and annex them!
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