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  • #166
    Interesting that the secular press in the US has been pretty much all positive with regard to JPII, while noting his critics. For instance, the WaPo had one token negative article among wall-to-wall coverage, which repeats all of AH's criticisms.

    I wonder if he's just looked at more favorably in the US than elsewhere because he is seen state-side as one of the main men who brought down communism and ended the balance of terror. He certainly did a great, tangible service to the US.
    Last edited by DanS; April 8, 2005, 09:34.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #167
      probably part of it - the other part would be the religious tangent the US is on. No other part of the Western world has so much religiosity.
      Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

      Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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      • #168
        It has always been thus.
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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        • #169
          you wish....
          Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

          Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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          • #170
            I'd hardly call it a religious resurgence.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #171
              you mean the religious right that didn't exist 20 years ago?
              Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

              Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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              • #172
                You mean not even in the South?

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                • #173
                  Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
                  you mean the religious right that didn't exist 20 years ago?
                  If you're looking for the great secular majority in American history, you'll be disappointed upon not finding it.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #174
                    Maybe the religious right emerged because the general religiosity of the nation "deteriorated"?

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                    • #175
                      The political religious of yesteryear would curl your hair nowadays. I need only mention prohibition and blue laws.

                      Trust me on this. My little hometown of 1,400 has had 14 different well-attended churches for about a century and has been dry for longer than anybody remembers or knows otherwise. The law against sale of alcohol isn't even on the books it's so old. But nobody questions that it's the law. Even the few catholics don't question it.
                      Last edited by DanS; April 8, 2005, 11:41.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #176
                        Well, complete and universal sobriety would be a pretty good way to prevent drunk driving and other crimes committed while drunk.

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                        • #177
                          Yes, the practical argument was used, among others, in various places.
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #178
                            I have never figured out WHY is the US more religious than other western nations.

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                            • #179
                              Oh, y'see, it's because it's the Promised Land, of course.

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                              • #180
                                To be fair, there are probably other western countries that are more religious than the US. Maybe Americans are just poseurs. (Public displays of religion are taboo in many European countries.)
                                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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