Pope given last rites

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Vince278


The more recent statement does not contradict, it supercedes the previous statement. It can't be said that the Church does not grow and learn.

Right.

Like when JP II forgot to mention that the Church was sorry about the whole heresy charge against Galileo and had no business sticking its theological nose into the realms of pure science.

Papal infallibility is rather like pregnancy- as you can't be slightly pregnant, you can't be slightly or more or less, infallible.


It's a profoundly insulting notion to imagine that even all Catholics would imagine for a moment that a mere human would be infallible. I'd say it borders on the heretical. But I suppose as church heresies go, it's slightly less trouble making than monophysitism or Nestorianism, or Arianism.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Oerdin


It has to do with the hang ups of old white men more then the teachings of Christ. These stupid pronouncements will continue to alienate moderate and liberal Christians who read Jesus's teachings but don't see how modern Catholic doctrine is in any way based upon Jesus's words.

I agree with that. One of the interesting things about Christianity is we think we're the smart ones and the ancients were innocent and naive. But homosexuality, abortion, birth control were all well known in Jesus time and he has virtually nothing to say about them. He doesn't seem very interested in human sexuality at all. The message seems to be love your neighbour as yourself as these things will sort themselves out.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


While it could happen, since the Pope is not required to be a priest, given that JPJ II selected all be three of the college of cardinals that select the Pope, it's likely the next Pope will be as rigidly conservative as you.

Me, rigidly conservative -- a man who supports Roe v. Wade, who supports, to an extent, gay marriage, who beleives in Affirmative Action, and who supports married priests -- am "rigidly" conservative.

You conflate my anti-socialism with being socially conservative.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Since we've moved on to the question of the next Pope, some of you might find this an interesting read:

A Jewish Pope

[Ned]

Originally posted by TCO
The RC church has some married priests.

It has even had popes with children.

In the middle ages, passing bishoprics on to one's "heirs" as if they were the property of the bishop and not the church became a real problem and was central to the church reestablishing chastity as a requirement.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


I'm an atheist, raised Catholic (my dad's Jewish), which is why I have a good deal of sympathy for the Catholics here.

Well, my Dad was protestant, which gives me some sympathy for protestantism.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
If I was going to end my apostasy, I'd choose to be Catholic. I like all the rites and iconogaphy and stuff.

Even though I am agnostic now, I know when the end grows near I will rejoin the church. My heart even today grieves that I do not believe.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
I just wish that they'd make a Franciscan a Pope.

Franciscans have a long standing tradition of being human oriented. They take a vow of poverty that goes beyond most orders. Thomas Merton was one of them. I have a lot of respect for their work with the poor.

Archbishop Claudio Hummes, Brazilian, 66, Archbishop of Sao Paulo is a Fransciscan, IIRC.

I would humbly suggest that this man will be the next pope.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Agathon
Well, HT... I'll buy you a Harvey Wallbanger at Hell's Bar and we can get off with the Olsen Twins.

I disliked the Pope's policies, particularly on women's rights and contraception. I don't see him, or any other religious figure, as being in the end a good person.

Agathon, those are not "the pope's" policies. They are the Church's polices, and will remain such until there is a great synod to overturn them.

[Drake Tungsten]

If chosen, Arinze, besides rocking the world as the first black pope

This isn't true, apparently. He would be the fourth black pope.

http://www.holyangels.com/black.htm

[Ned]

Drake, I have no intimate knowledge of whether these popes were black or not absent some pictures of the man; but I think the reason these popes may be considered black by many is that they hailed from Africa.

But, as we all know, resident's of Rome's African provinces at the time were not, on the average, racially black.

[Ned]

I was listening to some of the talk shows. There was some discussion of raising Archbishop Zen of Hong Kong to the papacy as a means of undoing the communist hold on China.

[Provost Harrison]

Well it is definitely interesting to see that it is wide open, inclusive of race...

[Ned]

I think Americans are disqualified primarily due to the stain of pedophilia in the American Church. The Cardinals will in no way want to be seen as endorsing that by elevating an American to the Papacy.

But, in this regard, the Cardinals should also consider someone who will take a hard line on the abusive American priesthood. Pope JP II was far too lienient, IMHO.

[alva]

The US is too religious IMHO, they will be wanting a pope from where they can get some new members.
So Africa does look like a prime candidate, on the other hand the're loosing a lot of ground in South-America.