Latest Dispatches from Jesusland: Revolt of the Fundie Pharmacists!

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by DanS
Well, in any event, it is sometimes an abortifacient. We could sit here and argue it all night (not something I care to do, but if you want to know the normal arguments, then google is your friend), but the most important thing to note is that pharmacists may understand it to be an abortifacient and therefore would fall under such a conscience exception.

Nobody's taking up my invite to attack me on the weakness of the argument with regard to the pill.

Oh well.

And painkillers can also be used to euthanize. So ****ing what?

[Spiffor]

Many different medications can be used to commit suicide

[KrazyHorse]

Why?

Fetus is defined as being from the 8th week onwards

At least that what the Jesuit priest who taught me "Love and Human Sexuality" in 11th grade said.

[Agathon]

Isn't this on the wrong track? Pharmacies are left up to private markets to serve the public good, not because of the "moral rights of pharmacists.

Markets work when businesses supply things that people need and which are legal. If they stop doing this, then it is time for the state to intervene to ensure supply -- either by regulation or by replacing private businesses with public utilities.

This is a crushingly obvious feature of our society. It has absolutely nothing to do with individual rights, and everything to do with tuning economic relationships to maximize efficiency and make sure that people get what they need.

Generally, markets work well enough so that people who wish to refrain from supplying certain legal items may do so (for example: the corner store I worked in part time did not stock pornographic magazines). The competitive mechanism is supposed to ensure that people who want Playboy can buy it at another store. It doesn't always work, but it works quite well.

On the other hand the costs of entry to the competition sometimes mean that one local store can exercise a regional monopoly. In this case it is the government's job to step in and make sure that the monopoly does not effect the delivery of legal goods to those who want them.

In the case of pharmaceuticals we aren't dealing with something trivial like one man's masturbatory aid, but with things that are often vital to people's health. The state has the right to compel pharmacists to offer legal items for sale if it is not feasible for people to get them anywhere else.

If you don't like this, don't become a pharmacist. The community and the state allow you the right to go into business and offer various protections to your economic activities because you provide a service that people need. If you stop providing that service, then the government has the right to intervene.

It's just the reverse of privatization or deregulation. The arguments in those cases are that private ownership or lesser regulation will increase the efficiency of service delivery, and sometimes they are right. On the other hand it runs both ways, sometimes changes in the economy mean it is more efficient for the state to deliver a certain good or that more regulations will improve matters.

Economic rights are part of the social contract, and that contract can be revised when one party stops fulfilling its obligations. There's a simple answer for people who don't want to dispense contraceptives: don't become a pharmacist. That's the same as a Hindu deciding not to work at McDonalds.

When your individual business decisions start to impact the health of the community, it is time that the state intervened on its behalf.

[DanS]

Kuci: ???

[Ben Kenobi]

The fertilized egg of a vertebrate animal following cleavage.

In humans, the prefetal product of conception from implantation through the eighth week of development.

This is what you didn't quote.

Why should there be one definition for humans and one for all the other animals? Are human beings so unique as to deserve differential treatment?

[MRT144]

bk doesnt care about definitions really. as soon as that little spermy is in the egg its a life.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by DanS
Kuci: ???

ZOMFG!!! This drug can possibly do something to which I have some sort of moral objection! Teh evil! Teh evil!

[Ben Kenobi]

Fetus is defined as being from the 8th week onwards

That's the general convention, which can also apply to a similar stage of development in the gestation of other animals.

[KrazyHorse]

Ben, you dork. Humans are treated differently because there is an entire branch of biology devoted to studying and treating human beings called medicine.

The definitions are more exact in the case of human beings and offer further distinctions between stages.

[Ben Kenobi]

bk doesnt care about definitions really.

I care a great deal. Why else would I post?

[Kuciwalker]

This kind of rapage makes me feel unclean

[Ben Kenobi]

The definitions are more exact in the case of human beings and offer further distinctions between stages.

How is implantation more precise than 'cleavage' that is to say, when the process of cell division begins?

[DanS]

ZOMFG!!! This drug can possibly do something to which I have some sort of moral objection! Teh evil! Teh evil!

I don't think you get it.

[Spiffor]

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