Apostates of Islam

[Heresson]

Paul made a great impact on it, but it was impact of God through him.
And the basis of Christianity is still Jesus.

And hadith and shari'a are separate from Al-Qur'an, but are hardly separable from Islam. Only Qaddafi wants to get rid of hadiths.

[Az]

That particular incident actually has a bit more complicated historiography than that. Apparantly, the source (not the Qur'an) that says male Median Jews were killed (and women and children enslaved) isn't corroberated up by other sources of the period. Historians tend to believe that the particular source made it up as a form of propaganda to make Muslims seem badazz (not unlike how a lot of historians believe that the genocide of the Canaanites by the Jews may have been fabricated).

Most chances are you're right. ( In the case of the genocide of the canaanites by the jews, you really have to raise an eyebrow, since most chances are the jews are canaanites )

[Ramo]

Many Muslims don't care for the Hadiths. It's perfectly seperable from Islam.

[Ramo]

In the case of the genocide of the canaanites by the jews, you really have to raise an eyebrow, since most chances are the jews are canaanites

Right.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Ramo

hey killed all the Jews of Medina, so I'd say it could be interpreted that way.

That particular incident actually has a bit more complicated historiography than that. Apparantly, the source (not the Qur'an) that says male Medinan Jews were killed (and women and children enslaved) isn't corroberated up by other sources of the period. Historians tend to believe that the particular source made it up as a form of propaganda to make Muslims seem badazz (not unlike how a lot of historians believe that the genocide of the Canaanites by the Jews may have been fabricated).

The author of the chronicle was Muslim (though of Jewish descent), it's hard to imagine He'd like to make Muslim seem badazz.
Also, no-one questioned the fact until recently, when it became uncomfortable.
And also, some hadiths seem to back the story

[Heresson]

since most chances are the jews are canaanites

not true

Many Muslims don't care for the Hadiths. It's perfectly seperable from Islam.

Many Christians don't care about what Jesus has said
What's important is what Muslim scholars say.

[Az]

not true

enlighten me.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Heresson


Bad joke. There was no sex in it. Mary remained virgin.

sure she did...

[Odin]

Originally posted by Heresson

not true

Let me guess, you think the psudohistory in the first few books of the old testament are true?

[Ramo]

The author of the chronicle was Muslim (though of Jewish descent), it's hard to imagine He'd like to make Muslim seem badazz.
Also, no-one questioned the fact until recently, when it became uncomfortable.
And also, some hadiths seem to back the story

1. Why not, if he's a fanatic? Notice how when a terrorist attack happens, sometimes a number of groups try to claim it as their own?
2. History gets written in the interests of those in power. You realize there's a reason why historians exist today, right?
3. The Hadiths have been written and rewritten, distorted, etc., etc. It's practically useless as a primary source for Mohammed's time.

[Az]

it's also possible that they actually did it. It's not like it was unheard of at the time.

[Heresson]

1. Why not, if he's a fanatic? Notice how when a terrorist attack happens, sometimes a number of groups try to claim it as their own?

A pretty dramatic line of defense
Well, by saying this, You actually admit that the massacre took place, You just question who's done it.
And who else could?

2. You realize there's a reason why historians exist, right?

Enlighten me

3. The Hadiths have been written and rewritten, distorted, etc., etc. It's practically useless as a primary source for Mohammed's time.

Do we have any other source but hadith and Al-Qur'an?

I do not fancy the history of this era. I base my knowledge on a book by mr Stepien. Discuss with him.

[Ramo]

What's important is what Muslim scholars say.

Right, which is why Christians are a bunch of schismatic heretics. Actually, so are Jews, what are they thinking? Zoroastrianism

[Heresson]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse




sure she did...

You do not have proof for your theories. I at least have hungreds of years of tradition.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Heresson

I at least have hungreds of years of tradition.

Tradition is stupid, throw rocks at it.