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  • #91
    Originally posted by chegitz guevara
    It wasn't Magdalene who was being stoned..
    Read here. http://www.thenazareneway.com/new_lo..._magdalene.htm

    Or are you another face of Mary Magdalene, the prostitute and sinner who repented after Jesus saved her from being stoned by a mob - the same Mary who then saw the risen Christ first?
    Mary Magdalene was a prostitute who a mob of pious people wanted to stone to death for her sins. Jesus saved her and basically said stoning was barbaric and that no man should stone a sinner because no man is free of sin. Instead people should help each other to stop sinning, as much as possible, and concentrate instead upon doing good work and striving to live a better life.

    I still think that's a religious fairy tail but as religious fairy tails go it is much more benign then Mohammed’s killing or exiling or enslaving every Jew in western Arabia. It's just another example of why Christianity is less evil then Islam and thus more acceptable. All three religions are going to have fundamentalists which need to be checked though.
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    • #92
      But why don't you continue to "enlighten" us with your shallow opinion of Islam based on nothing more than your own biases? It'd be as amusing as seeing PH tell us about Christianity.
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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      • #93
        Originally posted by DinoDoc
        I found it more interesting than the crap you've been posting.
        I agree. The Koran is a man made piece of crap just like the bible or the Torah but the logical implications of the Koran are much worse.
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        • #94
          Originally posted by Oerdin
          Read here. http://www.thenazareneway.com/new_lo..._magdalene.htm
          I did. Now what part of "There is no indication in the text that either unnamed woman is Magdalene" from that link you offered didn't you understand.

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          • #95
            Oerdin's ravings reminds me of the Jack Chick tract on Islam.
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #96
              Saint Peter especially was famous for telling people to ignore much of the old testament.


              St. Peter is part of the Bible? I asked where in the Bible was it said that it should be taken figuratively. Saying one law is outdated and replacing it with another doesn't mean the Bible is not to be taken literally. The literal meaning has just changed.

              There were tons of people who claimed to speak for this religion or that who didn't follow the basic teachings of the religion. Jesus, unlike Mohammed, always preached nonviolence.


              When you have a history of a certain action under the name of the religion, it becomes the basic teaching of religion. And, of course, there is a debate on the actual existance of Jesus. Nevertheless, Paul started Christianity.

              Mohammed spells everything out for a muslim. He explains in great detail everything a muslim must do and the punishment for every crime. That's forcing a barbaric 8th century legal code onto modern life.


              As Heresson said, Sharia and Hadith is far different than from the Koran. It is more like the Jewish Talmud, where rabbis wrote to each other and came up with a distillation on the law. The Koran is very sparce on detailed punishments for crimes. Those came about from the Imams creating Sharia in the same way the Rabbis created the Talmud. The Hadith are Islamic traditions, sort of like a common law. That is where the punishments and crimes actually come from.

              Countries like Iran depend far more on Sharia and the Hadith than on the Koran for their criminal code. Perhaps there are few verses here and there in the Koran which be made into criminal law, but very few. They go to the interpretations and traditions to get their crimes and punishments.
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              • #97
                Originally posted by DinoDoc
                Oerdin's ravings reminds me of the Jack Chick tract on Islam.
                I agree with Oerdin there is something different about Islam, but I wouldn't go repeating the ravings of Reverend Jerry Vine.
                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Oerdin
                  I agree. The Koran is a man made piece of crap just like the bible or the Torah but the logical implications of the Koran are much worse.
                  Does the Koran explicitely endorce genocide, and says that God is on the side of the genocidials?
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                  • #99
                    They killed all the Jews of Medina, so I'd say it could be interpreted that way.
                    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                    • Originally posted by Oredin
                      Other Muslim Kingdoms would arise especially the Tamarinds in Persia and the Moguls in India/Afghanistan but the golden age of the Islamic Empire was gone.
                      Let me correct you there . The Mughal rulers of India were not really a Muslim state - the vast majority of the population remained Hindu .

                      And as for the golden age part , IIRC , the Mughal kings' revenue ( as in taxes ) , during their peak , was greater than nineteen times Europe's richest kings' .

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                      • Originally posted by Heresson


                        the last Abbasid caliph died around 1535, there's much discussion about when exactly.
                        And there were other dinasties that claimed to be caliphs. also, Ottomans claimed that the last caliph transmitted his authority to them and as such, the caliphate existed up to 1923 or 4, I don't remember, when Atatuerk destroyed it.
                        Then, sharif of Mecca declared himself to be caliph in 1924, but in result Saudis attacked them and by 1925 all Higaz was conquered but the part that was annected by Transjordan.
                        When I say the Caliphate didn't exist, I don't mean there wasn't anyone around claiming to be Caliph. I mean the Caliphate as a political power - the "Islamic Empire" Oerdin speaks of - didn't exist. The post-Mongol Abbasid Caliphs were Egyptian puppets, and while the Ottomans assumed the title, that doesn't make their empire any more of a restored Caliphate than Czarist Russia's claim to the Byzantine heritage made it a restored Roman Empire.
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                        • Originally posted by Spiffor

                          Does the Koran explicitely endorce genocide, and says that God is on the side of the genocidials?
                          To be brief , yes . I haven't read the Quran , but I have read the relevant sections .

                          I have also read some literature from that period ( my knowledge here is sketchy at best , I have only read the original , word-to-word translation of the "Thousand Nights and one Night" , but if that is any indication of prevailing sentiment , then Islam does indeed condone this sort of behaviour ) .

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                          • Originally posted by Spiffor

                            Does the Koran explicitely endorce genocide, and says that God is on the side of the genocidials?
                            No. I can quote some specific verses if your wish.
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • hey killed all the Jews of Medina, so I'd say it could be interpreted that way.




                              That particular incident actually has a bit more complicated historiography than that. Apparantly, the source (not the Qur'an) that says male Medinan Jews were killed (and women and children enslaved) isn't corroberated up by other sources of the period. Historians tend to believe that the particular source made it up as a form of propaganda to make Muslims seem badazz (not unlike how a lot of historians believe that the genocide of the Canaanites by the Jews may have been fabricated).
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                              -Bokonon

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                              • Originally posted by DinoDoc
                                No. I can quote some specific verses if your wish.
                                Please do
                                "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                                "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                                "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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