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Originally posted by DanS
Only indirectly, through age.
Only indirectly, through age.
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If presented as the basis for the age requirement then you have to be prepared to defend the idea that it is a legitimate basis.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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Come on, Dan. If the reason you don't want 18 year olds to vote is that they don't own property then you have to defend the position that ownership of property should be a requirement to vote...12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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I'm not going to defend it against irrelevant arguments.
I don't have to do any such thing. What are you blathering on about?then you have to defend the position that ownership of property should be a requirement to vote
In the US, the drinking age was raised to 21 after Vietnam. So there is some precedent. Besides, I think you can be 17 and be in the Army.And it did so in Canada too.
Except we weren't in Vietnam...
It was simply an acknowledgement that along with responsibilities come rights.
18 year olds have every legal responsibility that you do. Their parents might relieve them of the burden of paying for themselves, just as there are some housewives in the US who never lift a finger outside the home. Doesn't mean we disenfranchise those without jobs...I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Nonsequitur?12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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Stop ****ing DanSing me.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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Your point was that if 18-year olds have all the responsibility, they should have all the rights. While in most cases, this seems like a sensible way to go, there are already exceptions to the rule to reflect the long history of adulthood at age 21.
Besides, it would be pretty damn boring to list "18" below all the items in the lead post.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I guess you don't have to do anything you don't want to. Until you do, though, you lose any claim to being logically consistent in my view.Originally posted by DanS
I don't have to do any such thing. What are you blathering on about?
In the US, the drinking age was raised to 21 after Vietnam. So there is some precedent.
Some precedent for changing age laws? When did I say there wasn't.
Nice example though.
12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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And you've thus created a group of people with all the responsibility who are missing some of the rights. Screw that.Originally posted by DanS
Your point was that if 18-year olds have all the responsibility, they should have all the rights. While in most cases, this seems like a sensible way to go, there are already exceptions to the rule to reflect the long history of adulthood at age 21.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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Who ever said I wanted to claim that?Until you do, though, you lose any claim to being logically consistent in my view.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Sigged, of course.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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Meh. Suit youself. Consistency has about zero utility in this discussion. There are some rights given well before responsibilities in my list. I feel no need to make everything consistent.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Without context, it loses its meaning, KH.Comment
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I'm just against creating second-class citizens. Strange of me, I know...12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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Yes, I'm crying in my beer for them. You know, the one I can buy because I'm at least 21 years of age.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Hey, so can I.
And I was voting and drinking at 18 too, the way it should be...12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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