Another Iraq thread: With friends like that...

[MarkG]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
The facts according to a source likely not suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. If you have some paranoid need to believe that the Americans deliberately fired on the Italians as the Commie official says, you might want to find another source.

i dont have any kind of need to believe anything nor have i expressed in my posts any final judgment on what happened, unlike other posters here....

[MarkG]

Originally posted by One_Mean_Rabbit
Fact is, is that a warzone is a mighty mighty dangerous place to be.

warzone? i thought it was a sovereign country which just had elections

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by MarkG
warzone? i thought it was a sovereign country which just had elections

Because of recent insurgent activity, I would say it is more of a war zone.. at least the part of iraq they were in.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by One_Mean_Rabbit
Are you trying to argue that we are all trigger happy, or just a few?

if i was 20, in iraq, having seen friends die next/close to me while others get away (and stay alive) with firing before asking questions, i would NOT do any hand, arm, head, finger signals and just fire at the damn things that's moving in the dark.....

realising that is one thing. saying it was the dead driver's fault is another......

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Because of recent insurgent activity, I would say it is more of a war zone.. at least the part of iraq they were in.

i noted it cause i a post arguying that the recent "elections" was one of many good things to have happened in the ME recently....

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MarkG
i dont have any kind of need to believe anything nor have i expressed in my posts any final judgment on what happened, ....

I happen to own a bridge in Brooklyn that you maybe interested in aquiring if you actually expect me to believe that.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by MarkG
i noted it cause i a post arguying that the recent "elections" was one of many good things to have happened in the ME recently....

Attacks are down.. so yes it is a good thing... and it had a great effect on the rest of the middle east. Bush's policies have been a great success now that results are materalizing.

[Edan]

Originally posted by Oerdin
The truth has come out and it looks like the driver really was to blame. There was a check point, the speed limit was 10 mph, and the driver tried to go throughat 55mph without stopping. Marked vehicles get to drive through check points but they were driving an unmarked vehicle plus signs were posted in both English and Arabic plus warning shots were fired and still the driver didn't stop.

No Italian?

[jasev]

It was due to an ultimatum by terrorists. This is pretty basic.

What is pretty basic is that you don't know why we withdrew from Iraq.

[One_Mean_Rabbit]

warzone? i thought it was a sovereign country which just had elections

Your jab implies that both cannot exist together??? Are you confused?

[One_Mean_Rabbit]

realising that is one thing. saying it was the dead driver's fault is another......

You avoided my question while making up a strawman. And you implied I blamed the driver. Both an intellectual no-no.

[One_Mean_Rabbit]

i noted it cause i a post arguying that the recent "elections" was one of many good things to have happened in the ME recently....

You're one of those "debaters". Instead of answering the question in play, you continue to try and change the subject. And while I would gladly argue that the elections were one of the good things, I think that any intellectual debate would be lost on you. Because then you would argue that the sky is really a lighter shade of blue or something else not on subject.

[One_Mean_Rabbit]

What is pretty basic is that you don't know why we withdrew from Iraq.

It is very clear. But please try and rationalize your surrender. It will be amusing to be sure!

[Whaleboy]

Pretty broad brush there...It's cool, I am just glad that Americans don't have a monopoly on stereotyping...

No-one's stereotyping anyone, except perhaps young soldiers. It would be a characteristic I'd expect of any soldier be they British, German, Italian or (god help me) French.

It was due to an ultimatum by terrorists. This is pretty basic.

I was under the impression it was due to a government being voted in that was representative of the general disdain for the war in Spain . It seems reasonable that the Madrid attacks focussed that attention, not to mention the previous PM's claims that it was ETA.

Attacks are down.. so yes it is a good thing... and it had a great effect on the rest of the middle east. Bush's policies have been a great success now that results are materalizing.

Really? Looks to me like an escalation of the regions instabilities. I'm amused that any incidental move toward democracy is used to vindicate a war in which over 100'000 people died. Yes that was a fair trade...

Thanks for the laugh, commies. Don't quit your day job.

But where will you get your love?

You avoided my question while making up a strawman. And you implied I blamed the driver. Both an intellectual no-no.

If you're claiming that the car was travelling too fast and not acknowledging signals, then it's not like you're blaming the giant pixie smoking a joint on the roof now are you?

Instead of answering the question in play, you continue to try and change the subject. And while I would gladly argue that the elections were one of the good things, I think that any intellectual debate would be lost on you. Because then you would argue that the sky is really a lighter shade of blue or something else not on subject.

Sorry, what fallacy has he committed? You claim a strawman but you don't show where that is... a common ploy of people who pretend to themselves that they can debate in an attempt to avoid a counter . Try again, this time actually making a point.

It is very clear. But please try and rationalize your surrender. It will be amusing to be sure!

Fez has had a baby!!

[One_Mean_Rabbit]

No-one's stereotyping anyone, except perhaps young soldiers.

That statement alone is funny! I NEVER do X, except on Tues.

If you're claiming that the car was travelling too fast and not acknowledging signals,

Only quoted what an Italian official said. Have always said we will not know until investigation.

*holds Whaleboy's hand*

Sonny: Fact is, is that a warzone is a mighty mighty dangerous place to be.

MarkG: warzone? i thought it was a sovereign country which just had elections

He didn't tell a lie, just was trying to avoid the point that in a dangerous place, you have to be extra careful. Which is teh point of this entire thread, not rehashing Iraq War pros and cons.

I have already made my point, but obviously you aren't for hearing it so much as trying to make up my arguments for me.