CIA Interrogator Crucifies Iraqi Prisoner

[Heresson]

How sad it is all. If You fight in the right cause, it would be good to fight in a right way.

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by shawnmmcc
I did not state that enlisted men were not the actual interrogators - it's not my point (read the post versus react to it). My point was where did they learn these techniques? Someone higher up trained these individuals. Some of these techniques are not used in the US prison system.

Why do you need officers to train people? You seem to look down on enlisted people quite a bit.

[Mr. Harley]

No - and I have had two family members in the military (my vision precluded me from flying, the only way I was willing to join). However, and I have over a shelf of standard US military manuals from pre-WW2 to the 1980's bought used for historical research - the military has a prescribed procedure for almost everything. Plus, and I made my point earlier - some of these are NOT techniques used by US law enforcement, even out-of-control law enforcement.

In addition they are behaviors consistant with the Gonzales memos. Now, let's examine this using Occam'
s Razor (or KISS, keep it simple stupid). Memos from the White House Counsel hair-splitting over torture and abuse. Widespread, systematic use in the US military-run prisions/Intelligence Operative run interrogations of these marginal techniques - if done to our troops we would call it torture, but if we are doing it "well, that's different." Might, just might, there be a connection? Especially when, in the trials of the involved enlisted personnel, discovery has been kept very tight, permitting only an occasional low-ranking officer to be interviewed, if that. Plus the punishments are in general fairly light considering what could have been charged, with one exception who was stupid enough to leave himself quite vulnerable. It's not that I hold US troopers in contempt, I hold the upper level leadership in contempt.

[SpencerH]

I glad to pop back and see the same old **** flying about here. If you actually read the statement you may note that he prisoner wasnt tortured:

There, the interrogator instructed guards to attach shackles from the prisoner's handcuffs to a barred window. That would let al-Jamadi stand without pain, but if he tried to lower himself, his arms would be stretched above and behind him.

The documents do not make clear what happened after guards left. After about a half-hour, the interrogator called for the guards to reposition the prisoner, who was slouching with his arms stretched behind him.

Shackling someone in this manner is not a 'palestinian hanging' at all. He was not tortured at the prison, he died from a beating (which may have been torture or may have been incurred while subduing him). How and why he was beaten are unclear.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by Oerdin


And I thought it was just another stupid Finn mouthing off about things he didn't understand in the slightest.

Oh sure, Its not a war crime, what was I thinking. Just ask Ned, Fez or Oerdin about it.

Your views about whats going on in Iraq and claims that China and Russia are socialist just proves how bend you really are.


Anyway I'm sure we can take this outside without spamming this thread.

[Cruddy]

Ah well, when US troops allies get tortured to death, it will be for a "good" reason.

Revenge.

Makes me wonder how they train CIA interrogators... or maybe they just recruit from psychiatric units.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Lefties don't want to ***** about fellow leftie governments like China or Russia. They'd much rather whine about the evil US.

Excuse me? The oligarchs who rule both countires can go to hell. Not all people on the left are ignorant idiots like techumseh and Tripledoc.

[techumseh]

Call me whatever you want Odin, but don't try to put words in my mouth. I don't support either the Russian or Chinese governments, nor do I consider the them left wing.

[Q Classic]

Lefties don't want to ***** about fellow leftie governments like China or Russia. They'd much rather whine about the evil US.

I don't ***** about China and Russia, because I expect those places to treat humans like scum.

Or am I wrong in assuming that the United States was supposed to be a paragon of goodness, democracy, liberty, and the American way?

Guess so, since we all know what assuming does.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by shawnmmcc
In addition they are behaviors consistant with the Gonzales memos. Now, let's examine this using Occam'
s Razor (or KISS, keep it simple stupid). Memos from the White House Counsel hair-splitting over torture and abuse. Widespread, systematic use in the US military-run prisions/Intelligence Operative run interrogations of these marginal techniques - if done to our troops we would call it torture, but if we are doing it "well, that's different." Might, just might, there be a connection? Especially when, in the trials of the involved enlisted personnel, discovery has been kept very tight, permitting only an occasional low-ranking officer to be interviewed, if that. Plus the punishments are in general fairly light considering what could have been charged, with one exception who was stupid enough to leave himself quite vulnerable. It's not that I hold US troopers in contempt, I hold the upper level leadership in contempt.

I have to agree with you.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by laurentius

Oh sure, Its not a war crime, what was I thinking. Just ask Ned, Fez or Oerdin about it.

You apparently can't read or else you'd have seen the numerous posts where I said it was a crime the those responsible have/will go to jail. Much easier to just get on a soap box and ignore inconvient facts though isn't it?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Though there is a difference here, guys, this is a CIA official going in and ordering people about. We know that the CIA have done some really horrible things in its history. It makes you wonder where they are holding influence. It's a shame that the CIA official hasn't been tried (AFAIK).

[Dinner]

I wonder what the legal process is for going after CIA agents. It seems like the military has been pretty good at going after their people who broke the rules (at least the enlisted ones ) but the CIA might be a different matter.

[Ramo]

IIRC, the Justice Dept. is responsible for prosecuting them.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I miss Ashcroft...

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ramo
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I miss Ashcroft...

Has your country sunk that low?