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I bet they're all so glad that Saddam has gone so he doesn't torture them any more...they have Western bastards to do it instead...when will this ever stop? It's like rubbing salt in the wound...
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Pekka, I think your right.Originally posted by Pekka
Well duh, that's because people KNOW what to expect. They hold some others in higher standards for a reason. And this time around, this particular case deserves to be shouted and and spat at. Nothing less.
People expect ME governments to be atrocity ridden. They don't expect it from us. We should be held to a higher standard.
I stand corrected"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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And your comparing isolated instances at one prison to Sadaam's systematic torture and repression of whole peoples? Wow...that's a pretty strong leap.Originally posted by Provost Harrison
I bet they're all so glad that Saddam has gone so he doesn't torture them any more...they have Western bastards to do it instead...when will this ever stop? It's like rubbing salt in the wound..."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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I'm not very surprised. Just another American war crime.Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.
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An 'isolated incident'...well we've seen many of these 'isolated incidents', and how many more lie beneath the surface? Because of the relative scale are you trying to somehow justify this sadistic torture? Open your damn eyes...Originally posted by PLATO
And your comparing isolated instances at one prison to Sadaam's systematic torture and repression of whole peoples? Wow...that's a pretty strong leap.Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda SmithComment
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Trying to justify?Originally posted by Provost Harrison
An 'isolated incident'...well we've seen many of these 'isolated incidents', and how many more lie beneath the surface? Because of the relative scale are you trying to somehow justify this sadistic torture? Open your damn eyes...
You sure missed it."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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Well this is perpetrated by your country and my country. It is something that is far more under our control, that is the point...yet you laugh it off...are somehow the Western powers more morally justified in there action? No.Originally posted by PLATO
Trying to justify?
You sure missed it.Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda SmithComment
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Lefties don't want to ***** about fellow leftie governments like China or Russia. They'd much rather whine about the evil US.Originally posted by PLATO
Frankly, I'm sick of the US being gripped at while people who are just as bad or worse get a blind eye turned to them.
I will never support this kind of torture by my country, but I am sick of people screaming so loud at us and remaining silent to the other side.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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What I am laughing off is the feeble attempt to twist words into saying that I was trying to justify US actions. And I'm still laughing.Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Well this is perpetrated by your country and my country. It is something that is far more under our control, that is the point...yet you laugh it off...are somehow the Western powers more morally justified in there action? No."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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So very true, but there is validity to Pekka's argument as well. We should be held to a higher standard. Where the lefties miss it is that so should everyone else.Originally posted by Oerdin
Lefties don't want to ***** about fellow leftie governments like China or Russia. They'd much rather whine about the evil US."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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And I thought it was just another stupid Finn mouthing off about things he didn't understand in the slightest.Originally posted by laurentius
I'm not very surprised. Just another American war crime.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Originally posted by techumseh
Torture of prisoners, invading of soveregn contries, threatening to attack other contries almost daily, unilaterally breaking international treaties, limiting the democratic rights of American citizens, ignoring those of non-citizens.... when will the dots connect for the American people?
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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So far, it's not certain that torture was encouraged by the Bushies. A possible interpretation is that, when they allowed the "improved interrogation techniques", they didn't know it would go that far (An other possible interpretation is that they gave carte blanche to the interrogators, and now wash their hands on them).Originally posted by Provost Harrison
An 'isolated incident'...well we've seen many of these 'isolated incidents', and how many more lie beneath the surface? Because of the relative scale are you trying to somehow justify this sadistic torture? Open your damn eyes...
This is not really like Saddam's tortures, which were certainly systematic, and certainly demanded by the regime. Even if you think the American tortures in Iraq are not the action of "a few bad apples" (I share this skepticism), it's a huge leap to believe that the scale is any comparable to what Saddam did."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
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Originally posted by Oerdin
Lefties don't want to ***** about fellow leftie governments like China or Russia. They'd much rather whine about the evil US.
That's funny, considering that most lefties will consider China and Russia to be non-lefty countries, and quite a few lefties would call these regimes murderous.
The US gets more highlight than these "lefty"
countries on 'Poly, but I think it has strongly to do with the fact that the US or US-related topics make about 80% of the topics here (entertainment, sports, etc.). In the exceptional occurence that a thread opens about Russia or China, these countries certainly do not escape criticism.
"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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Originally posted by Spiffor
That's funny, considering that most lefties will consider China and Russia to be non-lefty countries, and quite a few lefties would call these regimes murderous.
The US gets more highlight than these "lefty" countries on 'Poly, but I think it has strongly to do with the fact that the US or US-related topics make about 80% of the topics here (entertainment, sports, etc.). In the exceptional occurence that a thread opens about Russia or China, these countries certainly do not escape criticism.
Exactly what I was to answer. Putin left? Don't make me laugh! China left? Dictatorial market economy...
It's just such a very poor rhetoric trick to point to something unrelated.
I thought you could do better, Oerdin. Obviously America is more discussed here, duh! And in threads about Putin or China I articulate my disgust about thoe too, but that's got nothing to do with this issue. Face the critique and argue against it if you like, but stay on topic, don't evade becaus don't like critics.
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