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  • #76
    quote:

    Originally posted by Fiera on 04-21-2001 03:09 " of
    I think we won't stick that much to the book, but at least I'd like to give some tribute to Schulten,


    placing a non-existant city in the map ain't it enough tribute? You could add another one called Schultenia (Sorry I couldn't help it ).

    quote:

    since some people, as FE you , seem to take his work not very seriously...


    Seriously is not the word, It's only that Tartessos city was an invention of him and you do not want to admit it

    quote:

    However, if you're up again to some historical discussion, the other thread is still waiting for new comments (I made some interesting and more modern readings and I've got some things to tell you about the "historical" Tartessos...)


    I'd love to hear them! A few days ago I discovered a book called "History of Spain for Skeptics" Outstanding. May I dare to recommend you to read the chapter dedicated to Schulten and Tartessos City?


    On another topic, I know I did the same for my Celts and Iberians scenario but perhaps you might want to avoid the inconsistency of having Tartessians (Turdetans) and Iberians at the same time, as the first were an Iberian tribe. May be you could replace the term 'Iberian' by another more generic, or using the name of another real tribe, e.g. ilergetes


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    • #77
      quote:

      Originally posted by Fiera on 04-21-2001 04:27 PM
      Yes, it's a good idea... However if the AI places its unit over the "urban" terrain, the hard work will be "lost", 'cause the player will hardly be able to admire it...



      But there may be ways to prevent that! Besides the AI hardly places units adjacent to its own cities for much loger than a turn.

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      • #78
        Fiera, give me a couple of days to do some more reading and I'll tighten up the tech tree for you. In order to avoid the article-length post necessary to provide you with the information, I will email you, if that's ok. I had forgotten about not making trade units sea units, so that idea is out, but will consider several types of trade units that each come along with one of the "trade" techs. What I see over and over again in the literature is the overwhelming quantity of pottery shards that are dug up from the archological sites. This is not just in Spain, but everywhere in the Mediterranean littoral. I'll think about that for a few days and see what occurs to me. One way to force the players to seriously consider trade is to 1.) increase the tech paradigm so that trading, any trading, has a strong incentive due to the free science bonus with each established trade route, and 2.) Give the civs you want to participate heavily in trade a lot of city improvements to support and a government that will barely (or not quite) support them all, like Monarchy. This forces the players to see trade as the only real way to increase their income. They can, of course, start selling off improvements, but, in the "right" kind of government, this tactic could also be less than desirable. As you say, we certainly won't need to incorporate all the available tech slots, and I'll try to keep it relatively simple. I'll also try to avoid all the "incidental" techs; techs that have inadvertent side effects. If you'd like the details to be a surprise upon release, then please feel free to email me with all further correspondence on this stuff.

        And please, this isn't work. Not for me. I enjoy putting together tech trees.

        Salutations,
        Exile

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        • #79
          quote:

          Originally posted by Jay Bee on 04-21-2001 05:01 PM
          I'd love to hear them!


          OK, but please give me some time. You know, translating these things to English is sometimes a pain, and I have a few things to do first, but the discussion will be running again, I promise...

          quote:

          A few days ago I discovered a book called "History of Spain for Skeptics" Outstanding. May I dare to recommend you to read the chapter dedicated to Schulten and Tartessos City?


          Yes, I know the book, but haven't read it. I also found a webpage, entitled Histeria de España, that you'll find funny. Here's the URL:
          http://www.lapaginadefinitiva.com/hi...histeria/1.htm

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          On another topic, I know I did the same for my Celts and Iberians scenario but perhaps you might want to avoid the inconsistency of having Tartessians (Turdetans) and Iberians at the same time, as the first were an Iberian tribe.


          The idea is to have the Iberians as an "imaginary" untight confederation of Iberian tribes. There's no problem with having the Tartessians out of that confederation, as Schulten believed Tartessos was a Kingdom, an independent political entity. However, things like similar city and units graphics will be in order for the Iberians and Tarts, I think.
          "An intellectual is a man who doesn't know how to park a bike"
          - Spiro T. Agnew

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          • #80
            quote:

            Originally posted by Jay Bee on 04-21-2001 05:03 PM
            But there may be ways to prevent that!



            You mean, having the terrain graphic over the unit graphics? Or am I misunderstanding you?
            "An intellectual is a man who doesn't know how to park a bike"
            - Spiro T. Agnew

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            • #81
              quote:

              Originally posted by Fiera on 04-21-2001 10:09 PM

              You mean, having the terrain graphic over the unit graphics? Or am I misunderstanding you?



              Yeah, that was one of the ideas I was toying with. The nother one would be to place impassables. That could be envisaged as part of the might Tartessos' defenses


              BTW, Weren't you a king? I can't believe you may have been PCR'd so I must assume it was another server crash?

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              • #82
                quote:

                Originally posted by Exile on 04-21-2001 07:30 PM
                Fiera, give me a couple of days to do some more reading and I'll tighten up the tech tree for you. In order to avoid the article-length post necessary to provide you with the information, I will email you, if that's ok.


                Yes, that's OK for me.

                quote:

                What I see over and over again in the literature is the overwhelming quantity of pottery shards that are dug up from the archological sites. This is not just in Spain, but everywhere in the Mediterranean littoral.


                Yes, we definitely need to make trade important. In fact, I think that the only way to win as the Tarts should be maintaining an active trade with the Greeks, Celts and Ibers, instead of only "stockpiling" defensive units against the Carthaginians. I just don't want to make an Ancient war game, if you know what I mean.

                quote:

                If you'd like the details to be a surprise upon release, then please feel free to email me with all further correspondence on this stuff.


                I don't know, I think we can keep the discussion of general game concepts here, so that everyone interested may take part, and then we can arrange a few surprises when we are actually putting everything together.

                quote:

                And please, this isn't work. Not for me. I enjoy putting together tech trees.


                Yes, I understand you. I really enjoy designing units or city icons, but when it comes to design a tech tree is more like work for me.

                "An intellectual is a man who doesn't know how to park a bike"
                - Spiro T. Agnew

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                • #83
                  quote:

                  Originally posted by Jay Bee on 04-21-2001 10:16 PM
                  BTW, Weren't you a king? I can't believe you may have been PCR'd so I must assume it was another server crash?


                  Yes, I was a King, but I lost 900 posts when my login was restored after the crash. I emailed MarkG about it, but he seems to be busy with otherthings... Well, not that I care that much about it, but I was very proud of my 1200 posts, most of them on-topic...
                  "An intellectual is a man who doesn't know how to park a bike"
                  - Spiro T. Agnew

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                  • #84
                    quote:

                    Originally posted by Fiera on 04-21-2001 10:07 PM
                    Yes, I know the book, but haven't read it. I also found a webpage, entitled Histeria de España, that you'll find funny. Here's the URL: http://www.lapaginadefinitiva.com/hi...histeria/1.htm




                    Yes, I knew that one. One of the webmasters is Guillermo Lopez, another Civ2 fanatic. He designed a few scenarios and submitted them to me for postimg at the CSC. I emailed him a couple of times about this forum but he never showed up. A pity, his opinions on Tartessos are something!

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                    • #85
                      Well, the world is a handkerchief then, as we say here...
                      "An intellectual is a man who doesn't know how to park a bike"
                      - Spiro T. Agnew

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                      • #86
                        quote:

                        Originally posted by Fiera on 04-21-2001 10:22 PM
                        Yes, I was a King, but I lost 900 posts when my login was restored after the crash. I emailed MarkG about it, but he seems to be busy with otherthings... Well, not that I care that much about it, but I was very proud of my 1200 posts, most of them on-topic...


                        Talk to DanQ. He restored my +2000 lost posts with prontitude.

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                        • #87
                          By the way, I have a Canarian business pending with ya

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                          • #88
                            I know, I know... in fact, almost everything is already done. I've sent you an email...
                            "An intellectual is a man who doesn't know how to park a bike"
                            - Spiro T. Agnew

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                            • #89
                              quote:

                              Originally posted by Fiera on 04-21-2001 10:22 PM
                              Yes, I was a King, but I lost 900 posts when my login was restored after the crash. I emailed MarkG about it, but he seems to be busy with otherthings... Well, not that I care that much about it, but I was very proud of my 1200 posts, most of them on-topic...

                              Like Maximus, you could have been a king, but sadly, were reduced in rank...


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                              All knowledge begins with the phrase: I don't know.
                              I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
                              i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG

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                              • #90
                                quote:

                                Originally posted by cpoulos on 04-21-2001 11:15 PM
                                Like Maximus, you could have been a king, but sadly, were reduced in rank...



                                Then I should be a slave now then...

                                PS: Jesús, didn't you receive my email? I sent it to the ucsd.edu adress.... Shall I send it to spanish@apolyton.net?
                                "An intellectual is a man who doesn't know how to park a bike"
                                - Spiro T. Agnew

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