Tell me what to think (the issue of gay marriages)

[Drake Tungsten]

True. But he's still committed himself to impregnating every fertile woman he sees that's not a close relative of his.

Hey! That's my job!

[DRoseDARs]

Uh...FrankyChan? Ya' might want to reword that last sentence...

[Frankychan]

Ok, I meant with 3+ more women. My bad. Thanks.

(you know, get them pregnant, then leave the woman high and dry)

[DRoseDARs]

No problem.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov




How will same-sex marriages have any effect whatsoever on heterosexual birth rates?

Besides, an increasing number of same-sex couples are having children through means of artificial insemination, surrogate mothers, etc. And then there is the potential for such couples to be a source of adoptive parents, which are sorely needed.

But Boris - it is so much cheaper the old fashioned way..... after all I'd be willing to bet that the purchase price of 10 pints of lager at the Dog and Duck is considerably less than that of all those medical procedures.

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Agathon


But Boris - it is so much cheaper the old fashioned way..... after all I'd be willing to bet that the purchase price of 10 pints of lager at the Dog and Duck is considerably less than that of all those medical procedures.

Lager? Bah! In my day it was a swift kick to the back of the head and dragging them home.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by red_jon

Lager? Bah! In my day it was a swift kick to the back of the head and dragging them home.

You old coot! We moderns used a stone club.

A sexist joke.

Q Why did Cavemen drag subdued women back to their caves by their hair?

A. Because if they dragged them by their feet they'd fill up with sand.

[reds4ever]

same sex marriages will never work...I mean, who'd wear a white lace dress with a black leather cap?...c'mon!

[Agathon]

Originally posted by reds4ever
same sex marriages will never work...I mean, who'd wear a white lace dress with a black leather cap?...c'mon!

Boy George!!!!

[Frogman]

Originally posted by Agathon


The problem is that the state muscled in on a religious ceremony and made it it's own. Since it's largely a matter of faith that homosexuality is wrong it's simply unfair to use an already purloined ritual in this way.

I favour only churches being allowed to perform marriages and civil unions for the rest of us.

I think this is total crap. Marriage has been a legal institution for thousands of years across many cultures and religions. Faith in any particular religion has nothing to do with it.

[Ben Kenobi]

Marriage is a tradition common to many cultures and many religions. What we are talking about is making gay marriage recognized by the government and employers with regard to benefits, taxes and other secular concerns.

Frogman:

If this is your argument, then domestic partnerships are the way to go, like here in Canada. They have absolutely no distinctions between the domestic partnerships and marriage here in Canada, with respect to taxes, etc.

Faith in any particular religion has nothing to do with it.

Then why do people get married in churches?

red_jon:

Some may find it impossible to believe, but there ARE gay-friendly churches, which are perectly normal (note 'gay friendly' does not equal 'gay') and would be perfectly willing to marry same-sex couples were they given the legal right to.

You imply that this is the 'norm' amongst churches? How do you figure this?

Gay-friendly does not necessarily equal willing to marry gays. Why do you think Jesus hangs out with prostitutes and tax-collectors? He does so, because these are the people who most need His help. The same with gay people.

Other countries (such as Holland) have had same-sex marraiges for a while now, with no negative effect.

News to me. Source?

But the churches have the right to add extra bits of church law to marriages that they perform.

I agree with Agathon?

[Ben Kenobi]

Boris:

Besides, an increasing number of same-sex couples are having children through means of artificial insemination, surrogate mothers, etc. And then there is the potential for such couples to be a source of adoptive parents, which are sorely needed.

I'd be very interested to see percentages for these numbers, as a total for the number of births in the US.

Besides, do you figure all the Lesbian couples are going to have 4 children each to make up for the gay couples?

[SlowwHand]

I'm unopposed to Gay marriage, now.
Gay adoption, I'm against.

Sorry. My failing, I'm sure; but no.

[red_jon]

Originally posted by obiwan18
Then why do people get married in churches?

In this country at least, the majority of it is tradition. Barely anyone actually goes to church once a week.

red_jon:


You imply that this is the 'norm' amongst churches? How do you figure this?

How did I imply it was the 'norm'? I merely stated that there are churches that would marry gay people. Yes, I have encountered homophobic churches (obviously).

Gay-friendly does not necessarily equal willing to marry gays. Why do you think Jesus hangs out with prostitutes and tax-collectors? He does so, because these are the people who most need His help. The same with gay people.

Umm, Jesus NEVER said being gay was wrong. See, it's statements like these that show what a 'moran' you are

News to me. Source?

Umm, pretty much EVERYONE knows that same-sex marraiges are legal in Holland. You don't know that you really shouldn't be participating in a debate on gay marraige.

[red_jon]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
I'm unopposed to Gay marriage, now.
Gay adoption, I'm against.

Sorry. My failing, I'm sure; but no.

Some day I plan on adopting kids - that is, if I'm in a position to give them a decent home and a loving family.

But I'm sure adoption is for another thread