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  • Originally posted by Spiffor
    Che : I am too lazy to translate in all right now. I've copied the whole article for further notice in case Le Monde puts it down. Right now, I have only translated the relevant excerpt, at the end of my previous post
    Here's the Babelfishied Franglish (tm) version:

    The thirty-two galleries of the archaeological Museum were put at bag the WORLD | 14.04.03 | 14h00 Did the museum of Baghdad undergo the same fate as the Museum of Kabul? More than 80 % of the parts of the Afghan establishment had been plundered after the departure of the Soviet troops. The essence of what remained was destroyed later by the talibans.

    According to the New York Times, it will have been necessary less than 48 hours so that the thirty-two galleries of the national archaeological Museum of Iraq "are cleaned", under the nose of the American troops. Several Iraqi archaeologists would have made steps near the American command so that the museum "is sanctuarisé". In vain. The British daily newspaper The Independent insists, Sunday, on the destruction: mutilated statues, broken windows, crashed to pieces objects.

    The Iraqi authorities had however envisaged the worst. In the February 2003 issue of of the Archéologia review, the director of the museums of Iraq, Dr. Nawala Mettwali, indicated that "the personnel followed training courses to evacuate the 32 rooms of the museum in one day. The objects will be put at the shelter in secret places." The person in charge for the museums, who cries today his disappeared collections, had not provided that the personnel would be the first to be volitilized.

    The current museum of Baghdad was inaugurated in 1976. Its collections had counted approximately 150 000 parts, of small shelves of clay engraved of wedge-shaped writings to the powerful winged bulls of Khorsabad or the low-reliefs of the palates of Nimroud which weigh each one several tons, the unit constituting a rather complete anthology of all civilizations which followed one another, for more than 7000 years, between the Tiger and Euphrate: prehistoric testimonys, vestiges sumériens, akkadiens, babyloniens, assyriens néobabyloniens, perses, Greeks, parthes, sassanides, and a very rich Islamic bottom.

    LONG RESTORATION At the time of the first war of the Gulf, most of these parts had been put at the shelter and the closed museum. It had been reopened for the year 2000. Many objects, which had suffered from their reclusion in metal cases, required a long restoration which was not completed.

    The most invaluable treasures, as those which had been found in the royal tombs of Our, had remained in their hiding-places: only their photographs were exposed in the museum of Baghdad. Are these parts for saved as much? Following the first war of the Gulf, nine of the thirteen regional museums had been more or less plundered.

    According to professor McGuire Gibson (Science, March 2003) which teaches archaeology mésopotamienne in Chicago, 3000 parts had been catch. On his side, Japanese professor Ishi had been charged by UNESCO with gathering a documentation on the objects stolen in the Iraqi museums, but also on the 10 000 archeological sites. He had counted 5000 of them.

    It is to be feared that this time, the figure of the stolen objects? or worse, destroyed? is not much high any more. After the plundering of the Museum of Baghdad, the general manager of UNESCO, Koïchiro Matsuura, let know, in an official statement, which it "at once had seized the authorities American and British and asked to immediately take measurements of monitoring and protection of the archeological sites and institutions cultural Iraqi".

    With the armed intervention day before, Mounir Bouchenaki, deputy manager of the culture with UNESCO, had declared in the World: "the Americans know the value and the diversity of the Iraqi inheritance. We gave the list of the significant sites to them. I hope that they will make good use of it."

    edit: created paragraphs, to make it a little more bearable.
    Last edited by The Mad Monk; April 16, 2003, 17:28.
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    • Re: Eight Thousand Years of Civilization ...gone

      Originally posted by Uncle Sparky


      The Iraqi National Museum in Baghdad has been looted over the last few days. According to CBC reports, the curators of the museum had asked for American assistance in protecting the treasures even before American troops entered the city. None was forthcoming.

      Artifacts from the early Mesopotamian & Babylonian civilizations were taken. Larger pieces of statuary were vandalized - several statues had heads & limbs hacked off and stolen.

      The damage is irreplaceable, of course.

      Long after George W Bush becomes a footnote, this incident will be remembered and mourned.

      I guess we should look to EBay for bargains soon.

      Should America pay for this tragedy ?
      I think America should pay for every single bad thing that has ever happened in the last 50 years.




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      • News:

        "It looks as if part of the looting was a deliberate planned action," said McGuire Gibson, a University of Chicago professor and president of the American Association for Research in Baghdad. "They were able to take keys for vaults and were able to take out important Mesopotamian materials put in safes."

        "I have a suspicion it was organized outside the country, in fact I'm pretty sure it was," Gibson said. He added that if a good police team was put together, "I think it could be cracked in no time."

        http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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        • The FBI is on the way to Iraq. The Museum looting is now being treated as a crime.
          http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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          • Ned:
            NOW being treated as a crime? *Sigh...* At least now the investigation is starting in ernst. *Crosses fingers...*

            Ted Striker:
            D*ck post. :thefingersmiley: Eff you.



            Yes, I've been quiet in this thread the past day or two, but I've been reading posts the whole time:

            1) So far, I've heard nothing that would explain the total failure to protect the museum, the library that was burned, the hopitals, or the universities. I'm not gonna waste my time further on those points because there hasn't been any acceptable reason that this was allowed to happen. Maybe in 50 or so years someone will uncover the reason...

            2) Anyone who passes off the acts against cultural collections (museums/libraries) as meerly "unfortunate" might never consider themself Human above any nationalistic identity. This was an unconshinable (sp?) act against us all, not just the Iraqis.

            Man, if I'd been on that stage with Rumy I'd've b*tch-slapped him hard enough to send him spinning to the floor...

            3) If this were a professional hit, then there's the hope that most of the artifacts survived. If Saddam had removed the artifacts and replaced them with fakes, then again there's the hope their still intact...but considering the number of places the coalition forces bombed the sh*t out of...might they have still been destroyed?
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            • Farfetched but isn't it suspicious that the entire card catalog was destroyed. That's not the work of spur of the moment looters, that's definately pros at work.
              Yup, and the vandalism helped cover up what was taken. Kind of hard to tell if a pile of dust was a plate, a cuneiform tablet, or something else.

              This tragedy could have been prevented and the Bush administration and Tommy Franks were warned this would happen and were asked to provide protection. Now I hear 3 of Bush's cultural board members have resigned in disgust...

              God only knows what was lost when the Conquistadors destroyed the stelae and codices found in the New World, so I consider this one of a very few black marks on the war.

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              • Btw, thank God the west has been looting Mesopotamian artifacts for more than a century.

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                • Related news

                  WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Two cultural advisers to the Bush administration have resigned in protest over the failure of U.S. forces to prevent the wholesale looting of priceless treasures from Baghdad's antiquities museum.
                  Reuters
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                  • So far, I've heard nothing that would explain the total failure to protect the museum, the library that was burned, the hopitals, or the universities. I'm not gonna waste my time further on those points because there hasn't been any acceptable reason that this was allowed to happen.
                    Indeed DRoseDARs, they haven't put forward any convincing argument...


                    The oh so great argument of: We didn't know it was going to be looted.. Oh c'mon after the first gulf war it was just the same, just not on this scale, about 9 of the 13 museums there were looted, and 3000 artifacts were never found again...

                    Oh no, there wass not going to be any looting this time, oh no really we didn't know!!

                    Or another golden oldie: We don't have enough troops to prevent the looters, there's too many of them...

                    Yeah right, you got 300000 troops in Iraq, and that's not enough to keep order... right. Furthermore, a short while ago I heard Rummy or Bushy or some other geek on the news saying they were searching for WMD at thousands of places at this moment... Well if that's true, they surely must have some spare troops right, or was it too much to ask to kindly spare a few soldiers to protect hospitals, and especially this frikkuing museum!

                    could go on like this for a long time...
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                    • isnt it now a robbery and not a looting?

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                      • Its so amusing to me that a bunch of archeology fanatics know more about the security situation in Baghdad than the commanders and troops on the ground. Personally, I wouldnt have given one more American or Iraqi life to protect those museums and I'm willing to bet more than one life would have been lost in the chaos.
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                        • Koichiro Matsuura, director-general of the U.N. Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, called Thursday for a U.N. resolution imposing a temporary embargo on trade in Iraqi antiquities.

                          http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...r_iraq_museums

                          (Thanks Ned for the news)

                          I'm not fan of embargoes, but this one is completely justified IMHO. By imposing an embargo, the robbers will have more trouble selling their items, and they'll retain them longer while looking for a good smuggling route. It gives a better chance to catch them.
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                          • Reports now are than it was an organized gang of professionals thieves with connection inside the Iraqui regime. For one thing, they had the keys to the museeum and its valts. Some of the items have already appeared in the same channels of sale as have those which have been stolen inside the Iraqui goverment over the past 12 years (There have been a significant balck market trade in them going on since 1992).
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                            • Amen brother SpencerH. I also have been hearing reports that this was more of a planned robbery rather than simple looting - timed to occur just before Baghdad fell to maximize confusion.

                              Still, if the reports about soldiers encouraging looting are true, then that truly is despicable.

                              [edit: delete duplicate report]
                              Last edited by gunkulator; April 18, 2003, 08:36.

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                              • Originally posted by SpencerH
                                a bunch of archeology fanatics

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