Eight Thousand Years of Civilization ...gone

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Asher
I've always been confused by man's obsession with artifacts, relics, and other pieces of the past.

Museums bore the hell out of me, I think it's pretty irrational to be so attached to some objects just because they're famous and/or old.

I skipped over that post before. Good stuff. IMO any serious injury to anyone is not worth saving an old reed basket.

[Uncle Sparky]

Do you think that will be enough, Imran?

[Jon Miller]

these sort of things happen durring times of upheval

if there was a revolution it would be worse

Jon Miller

[Uncle Sparky]

Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior


I skipped over that post before. Good stuff. IMO any serious injury to anyone is not worth saving an old reed basket.

I'm guessing then if some old synagogue was looted and vandalized, or some old temple wall was defaced, you'd have no problem with that.

... and to answer your other question, I have no idea how to do a "search" of our Apolyton archives for previous non political condemnations I've made in the past. You'll just have to trust your Uncle Sparky.

[Gatekeeper]

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
Who could possibly expect the American government to actually think through what their actions will cause?

Cute. Applies to every other freakin' nation throughout human history, too. It's a human trait, after all, not always planning ahead.

Gatekeeper

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Uncle Sparky I'm guessing then if some old synagogue was looted and vandalized, or some old temple wall was defaced, you'd have no problem with that.

I would have a problem with the perpetrators, as I do here. I would not have a problem with the unstable authority not going out of the way to stop it.

[yavoon]

notyou I'm not sure I understand your point. at all.

that stuff got trashed? that the stuff left behind was indeed broken(cuz if it wasn't broken it wouldn't have been left behind!).

[GePap]

I said 50k in baghdad to asher and meant to say 150k in all of Iraq.

Yes, we should have added 50,000 US troops to the Baghdad assault, and waited 3 weeks while troops were poised outside the city so that we could PREVENT LOOTING?! Or rather, after taking Baghdad, we should stick around until the looting is finished, and THEN continue the war.

Please...

As NYE stated, as the occupying power, it is the US's duty to maintain order. Rushing to Baghdad was a good move, as far as toppling the Saddam regime, but now we see what the inherent problems with it were: that the US would face troubles meeting all the obligations it has to meet. But the choice was made, and now the US has to do with what it has. Since the looting started small and expanded, it seems clear to me that had the US put pressure earlier and made it clear looting was not somehting to be allowed, then looting would not have expanded. By failing to secure a few locations eary, we basically stated that the US military was not going to keep order and the looters got the message loud and clear.

I will take the numebr the NYT gives as true, but all that does it reiterate my point above:the US has obligatioons to Iraq, and our current plan obviously does not take that into account. If this is the half-assed way American administration of Baghdad begins, then it is an ill omen.

And for all the people who keep minimizing what actually happened: I have little to say to people so obviously deluded. the heritage of MAN is more important than any individual, just as freedom is more important than any individual. They are not just plates and cups, anymore than the constitution is just a piece of paper with scribbles on it.

[notyoueither]

yavoon.

Looted and sacked. What could not be carried was destroyed. Vandalism, in a very real sense of the word.

The world is used to such things happening when a major city is conquered, by barbarians.

[Uncle Sparky]

Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior

I would have a problem with the perpetrators, as I do here. I would not have a problem with the unstable authority not going out of the way to stop it.

Funny how all the oil fields were the first things secured...

[yavoon]

yah cuz thats wut happened us american barbarians went in there and looted the goods raped the women and drank the beer.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by yavoon
yah cuz thats wut happened us american barbarians went in there and looted the goods raped the women and drank the beer.

No, but the leaders of your forces showed no glimmering of an idea of the responsibilities that their success had thrust on them.

[yavoon]

u sound really bitter, maybe u need a hug?

*hug*

obviously u weren't able to flame the americans for the failure of urban warfare or for the long drawn out war that cost us thousands of american lives.

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by Gatekeeper
Cute. Applies to every other freakin' nation throughout human history, too. It's a human trait, after all, not always planning ahead.

Gatekeeper

For a government playing with the lives of millions, that is unforgivable.

[Uncle Sparky]

Originally posted by yavoon
u sound really bitter, maybe u need a hug?

*hug*

obviously u weren't able to flame the americans for the failure of urban warfare or for the long drawn out war that cost us thousands of american lives.

... remind me again next year how many lives, American, British, Canadian, Polish, Iraqi etc. were lost.

*hug*

Only 2 Canadians killed so far that I know of. One serving with the USMC; other a Red Cross/Crescent volunteer, believed killed by friendly fire.

btw- The new American viceroy is apparently the same fellow who came up with the Guantanamo Bay Illegal Combatant incarceration idea. Good luck, Iraq.