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  • So it'd be okay for a white boy to express his opinion that all "******s" work as slaves, as long as he's not harassing a black person in specific, in a public school?
    while it wouldn't be right, people have the freedom to be racist, just as they have the freedom to be sexist, or conservative, or liberal or whatever though i completely agree that being racist or homophobic or sexist isn't good and those people need to be confronted and hopefully enlightened

    back to the kid, if he had of said "that call is so redneck, or retarded etc" the teacher would have suspended him, but the teacher sounds like a politness fascist, a PC autocrat, a touchy feely tolerance totalitarian, and i see this case having nothing to do with homophobia, instead it is all about institutional overreaction to childhood

    as far as tolerance goes though, i think there are far better ways to engender tolerance other than though institutionalized force, which i think is highly counter productive, especially when it is used as a first responce

    this thread has enlightened me some, i mean i realized that gay=lame was offensive to gay people, but i never realized how offensive it was. part of that is i come from an area with relatively few open homosexuals, while i have made gay aquaintances in the past, i haven't ever really been exposed to either gay culture first hand nor have I ever had a really close gay friend. it isn't that i have actively avoided befriending gays, there simply isn't any gays in my sphere of contact to befirend, plus i have only a handful of super close friends. i have had a few experiences recently (and no it wasn't any kind of sexual experimentation) that has really opened my eyes when it comes to gay marriage, and it has changed me from being ambivalent to being a wholehearted supporter of it. i think interaction, engagement, and hearing all sides of the issue is the best way to open people's eyes.

    i can also see where the kid could be coming from. i went to a high school that had between 1000-1200 students. out of all of those students, in my freshman year there were no open homosexuals, no african americans, three or so palestinians, no jews, three indians, no native americans, two pakistanis, and possibly ten asian american students. the rest were white. there were far more redneck students than all of the minority students combined. at that point in my life i had yet to meet a homosexual, and gay=lame was far more common than gay=homosexual. very few people, especially in middle school, and high school discuessed any aspect of gay culture...except getting it on with bi chix lol
    now with that in mind, an automatic suspension over say gay=lame, would have really brought a backlash, i mean the far majority of churches in this area still preach that homosexuality is a sin, and god doesn't hate the sinners but he hates the sin. many parents would have been offended at the schools protecting a nonexistant minority in the community who were involved in something quite taboo at the expense of a child.

    on a sidenote when i first went to college, an upperclassman said he'd been to my town before with his highschool basketball team and said he had never been to a more racist place in his life.

    the thing is unless you change kids now, and teach them both tolerance and that gay=lame is offense, in 20 years or so gay culture will need to find a new term because hetero kids will have altered the meaning of gay once again

    and Mr. Fun, I can relate to being an outsider, to being picked on, being made fun of, loathing myself. I was a fatty kid, and they are probably even more shunned than gay kids in the majority of places.

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    • Originally posted by korn469
      while it wouldn't be right, people have the freedom to be racist, just as they have the freedom to be sexist, or conservative, or liberal or whatever though i completely agree that being racist or homophobic or sexist isn't good and those people need to be confronted and hopefully enlightened
      I disagree, I don't think people should have a right to express their racist or sexist remarks in a public school.

      Ideally, a public school should not alienate students by having their students (or teachers) making remarks about their skin color, sexuality, religion, etc.
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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      • Originally posted by Tuberski


        Seriously, what is it derived from, if not "happy"?

        Teach me something.


        ACK!
        I cited it many pages back. Look it up!
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        • Originally posted by Boris Godunov


          I cited it many pages back. Look it up!

          Fine, see if I ever give you any help.




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          Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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          • Originally posted by korn469

            and Mr. Fun, I can relate to being an outsider, to being picked on, being made fun of, loathing myself. I was a fatty kid, and they are probably even more shunned than gay kids in the majority of places.
            Your post was quite good, but have to disagree with this. While fat kids get teased a lot, they aren't subjected to the kind of hatred gays are in youth culture. It's physically dangerous to be gay in some places, while I don't think many kids anywhere get assaulted for being pudgy.

            Hell, since 60% of Americans are now overweight, being a fat kid puts you in the norm!
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            • ... and my other points BG ... ?

              I'm glad to see you agree with them !

              I'm rehearsing with an orchestra tomorrow, so I'm signing off.
              There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.

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              • I disagree, I don't think people should have a right to express their racist or sexist remarks in a public school.

                Ideally, a public school should not alienate students by having their students (or teachers) making remarks about their skin color, sexuality, religion, etc.
                i certainly don't think that racism etc. should be tolerated in teachers, but i think students have the freedom to believe in what they want to believe, and that suspending them over their beliefs is a violation of freedom of speech; however, i think educators at every level should try to show the students why their beliefs are wrong

                it's my belief that the far majority of students learn things like racism at home, and that suspending them won't change anything

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                • Originally posted by korn469
                  i certainly don't think that racism etc. should be tolerated in teachers, but i think students have the freedom to believe in what they want to believe, and that suspending them over their beliefs is a violation of freedom of speech; however, i think educators at every level should try to show the students why their beliefs are wrong
                  Having those beliefs and expressing those beliefs by putting other people down are entirely different things.

                  Students can have the beliefs if they want, but if it brings any other student down in any way, they should be told to keep their mouth shut by the school, IMO.
                  "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                  Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                  • Your post was quite good, but have to disagree with this. While fat kids get teased a lot, they aren't subjected to the kind of hatred gays are in youth culture. It's physically dangerous to be gay in some places, while I don't think many kids anywhere get assaulted for being pudgy
                    Boris

                    first, thankfully once i realized what my mom cooked was the most unhealthy food on earth i lost the weight

                    secondly, since i wasn't gay i will never know exactly what kind of abuse gay kids go through, though i can empathize with them

                    third, actually i was pushed around and roughed up for being fat

                    oddly enough one of the most abused students at our school was abused for having stinky feet and being pudgy

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                    • Originally posted by korn469
                      Boris

                      first, thankfully once i realized what my mom cooked was the most unhealthy food on earth i lost the weight

                      secondly, since i wasn't gay i will never know exactly what kind of abuse gay kids go through, though i can empathize with them

                      third, actually i was pushed around and roughed up for being fat

                      oddly enough one of the most abused students at our school was abused for having stinky feet and being pudgy
                      But at your high school, you didn't even know of any gay people there. To me, that says a lot about how they would be accepted.

                      It's scary being a gay teenager, and considering ~10% of the population is gay, about 100-120 students at your high school were gay but too scared to come out. Could you imagine having to pose as a gay man to fit in, and fear for your safety because you liked women (while at the same time, everyone used your sexual orientation as an insult)?
                      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                      • I was a fat kid too, so know the score. 225# at 5'8" at my heaviest. Now I'm a svelt 150#, but still have the fat kid mentality at times.

                        Maybe it's all perspective, but being overweight wasn't as nearly as great a cause of concern to me as my being gay was.
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                        • Asher

                          actually my senior year one guy did come out in dramatic fashion, he put up a list of all of the guys he wanted to screw, and he was totally loathed then

                          there was this one kid i knew who was two years younger than me, very effeminant, who came out his sophomore year in college, but he was never given any trouble because he hung out with a group of effeminant brainiac straight guys, and his cousin was one of the most popular (and hottest) girls in the school

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                          • Originally posted by Boris Godunov
                            I was a fat kid too, so know the score. 225# at 5'8" at my heaviest. Now I'm a svelt 150#, but still have the fat kid mentality at times.

                            Maybe it's all perspective, but being overweight wasn't as nearly as great a cause of concern to me as my being gay was.
                            That's kind of funny actually, because being fat is way more dangerous than being gay is, and should be a bigger concern.

                            PS. I'm still weeding my way through this thread looking for what you posted, man there is a lot of stupidity out there.


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                            • Boris

                              lol i'm like 5'7 or 5'8 and at my heaviest i was around 230, so yea i can relate

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                              • Originally posted by korn469
                                Asher

                                actually my senior year one guy did come out in dramatic fashion, he put up a list of all of the guys he wanted to screw, and he was totally loathed then
                                Well, that's understandable. It's tacky.
                                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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