"That's so gay" - enough to get twelve-year-olds suspended

[korn469]

Boris,

btw, afaik you live in NYC now right? did you always live there? obviously your school had to have a different take on being gay than a rural school in the bible belt south right?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Tuberski


That's kind of funny actually, because being fat is way more dangerous than being gay is,

Depends on where one is! And also immediacy. Being a fat kid isn't necessarily going to have any longterm adverse health effects (my doctor says he expects me to live until I'm in my 90s, barring unforseen circumstances, since I am in perfect health and have a family history of longevity).

And, I was referring more to psychological health than physical. Being a closeted homosexual is very, very psychologically damaging, as it forces one to live a lie about who one is.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
And, I was referring more to psychological health than physical. Being a closeted homosexual is very, very psychologically damaging, as it forces one to live a lie about who one is.

I'm told it was the cause of my extreme anxiety.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by korn469
Boris,

btw, afaik you live in NYC now right? did you always live there? obviously your school had to have a different take on being gay than a rural school in the bible belt south right?

No, I went to middle school and high school in Maryland, on the Eastern Shore (which is the bastion of rural backwardsism and knee-jerk conservatism in Maryland).

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Asher

I'm told it was the cause of my extreme anxiety.

Yeah, it's what caused my 2-year bout with depression at the end of my college years. Pisses me off to no end that I missed out on what should have been a lot of fun because of it...

[korn469]

Well, that's understandable. It's tacky.

it's more than tacky, it's dangerous all things considered, i don't think he was ever assualted but he was threatened a number of times, he eventually moved away, but i think he knew he was moving and that's why he decided to come out like that

by my senior year there were a number of girls claiming to be lesbians, and while i know at least one really was, i'm not sure about the others, they were social outcasts to begin with, so their status didn't drop, and they weren't subject to any new verbal attacks or repercussions from saying they were gay

[mindseye]

Originally posted by Ramo
Egads folks, using "gay" as an insult is an insult to gays. What's so hard to understand?

To which Agathon responded:

Depends.

Here I think Ramo summed up the entire argument in a single simple question. Agathon seems to have sidestepped a reasoned response.

So, I will ask it again: Do you understand that using "gay" as an insult is an insult to gays?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Asher
Agathon, is this debate representative of the kind of crap that goes on with philosophy professors in today's public universities?

If so, I may have to bump that old thread with a new exhibit.

I mean, clearly, this has no grounding in reality and you're just blowing a bunch of hot air of what people are allowed to be offended by.

It's complete bull****, and you know it, but you're so used to dealing with other people who will agree with your bull**** that you have no idea how baseless it is.

And you are a mere amateur who repeats assertions that are in question as though they were proofs.

Hopeless....

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
And you are a mere amateur who repeats assertions that are in question as though they were proofs.

Hopeless....

I'm confused -- what do you mean by "proofs"?

Do you understand what's being debated here?

People are telling you they find it offensive, and you're off in la-la land thinking about proofs?

What would you know about proofs anyway, everyone knows philosophical proofs are bull****.

[korn469]

Boris and Asher

I lived a lie for over a year, and it really caused me to have some warped views on the people who i knew loved me, when it finally caught up with me, i thought for sure my mom was going to kill me, or hate me over it...so here's a question, was coming out to your parents (i'm assuming you have) one of the hardest things about being gay?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by korn469
was coming out to your parents (i'm assuming you have) one of the hardest things about being gay?

Second-most frightening moment of my life.

[Asher]

Originally posted by korn469
Boris and Asher

I lived a lie for over a year, and it really caused me to have some warped views on the people who i knew loved me, when it finally caught up with me, i thought for sure my mom was going to kill me, or hate me over it...so here's a question, was coming out to your parents (i'm assuming you have) one of the hardest things about being gay?

I've not come out to my parents yet. It's very scary to do...

[Asher]

I'll bite

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Second-most frightening moment of my life.

What's the first?

[Boris Godunov]

Re: I'll bite

Originally posted by Asher

What's the first?

Being in NYC on September 11th...

[korn469]

I've not come out to my parents yet. It's very scary to do

yea i can see why you think that, hopefully one day you'll find the courage to do it, and hopefully they'll find out on your terms instead of vice versa