"That's so gay" - enough to get twelve-year-olds suspended

[Dr Strangelove]

I have no problem with a school punishing bad language, though I think that there must have been a more apropriate punishment available.

I don't think that 10% of the population is gay. I think it's more like 1 to 2%.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by mindseye

So, I will ask it again: Do you understand that using "gay" as an insult is an insult to gays?

Oh god. I said I was finished but this is too much. Are you stupid or are you just pretending?

If the term "gay" is an insult it doesn't necessarily follow that it's an insult to gays. That is a logical fallacy if you take it as a straight inference. If you'd bothered reading properly instead of trolling you would see why. It only is if you buy into the idea that the term's meaning is such that it's necessarily an insult to gays, which I don't. I've explained why I don't think so and you and the others have done nothing but post irrelevant rubbish which ignores the basic point at issue. I'd be inclined to counter if people attacked my actual argument instead of merely providing some other argument for the opposite conclusion, which of course does not count as a refutation. Unfortunately some people think it does. Poor them.

Nobody here has proved that wrong - and you can't because it would require much more than endlessly repeating the same trash that's beeb posteed on this thread. It's just got boring for me when people think they can repeat the same old stuff and ignore the argument at hand.

This is turning into a pathetic, "I'm so victimised" thread. Grow up.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
I have no problem with a school punishing bad language, though I think that there must have been a more apropriate punishment available.

I don't think that 10% of the population is gay. I think it's more like 1 to 2%.

I very sincerely doubt those numbers.

I think it depends on where you live and how open people would be about it.

I know as many gay people as I do lefties.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Asher

I'm confused -- what do you mean by "proofs"?

Do you understand what's being debated here?

People are telling you they find it offensive, and you're off in la-la land thinking about proofs?

What would you know about proofs anyway, everyone knows philosophical proofs are bull****.

You know. Reading this thread I can just about see what your problem is.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Asher

I've not come out to my parents yet. It's very scary to do...

Do you think that they have suspicions? I don't mean to sound inconsiderate or anything, but they might actually feel that you are.


BORIS: I finally found the geycat reference on page 7, I believe. I, of course, choose to backtrack instead of starting at the beginning of the thread. It was a very interesting piece of information.

Maybe this will help Agathon:

How would you feel if "Agathon", or whatever your real name is, was used to imply that something is stupid or lame?

No acks from now on in this thread.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
Grow up.

Realize that there are other people in this world, those other people in this world are telling you that they are offended by something, rather than being a man about it and try to avoid behavior that is offensive you went off into a self-righteous rant asking people to "prove" things and explaining why they don't have a right to be offended.

Grow up indeed, Agathon...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
You know. Reading this thread I can just about see what your problem is.

My problem is you, and people like you, who refuse to actually think about something and are completely incapable of being sensitive to other people's complaints.

It's not enough for you for the gay people to overwhelmingly tell you they find it offensive, but they need to provide proof that it is offensive?

You're a first-rate moron, and an embarassment to UofT as far as I'm concerned.

This is precisely why they need to ditch philosophy in public univerisites, any quack such as yourself can be a professor...

[Drake Tungsten]

Nobody here has proved that wrong - and you can't because it would require much more than endlessly repeating the same trash that's beeb posteed on this thread. It's just got boring for me when people think they can repeat the same old stuff and ignore the argument at hand.

You may be an expert on Wittgenstein, but I was smart enough to get out of this worthless thread hours ago. Who's smarter?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Who's smarter?

That would be the people who're trying to explain to you that you don't need to provide "proof" when a large segment of the population is offended by something.

[Drake Tungsten]

This is precisely why they need to ditch philosophy in public univerisites, any quack such as yourself can be a professor...

Be careful what you wish for, Glonkie. This thread has made it obvious that a few more logic classes wouldn't hurt you...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tuberski
Do you think that they have suspicions? I don't mean to sound inconsiderate or anything, but they might actually feel that you are.

It's possible, but I doubt it.
I don't act "gay" in any stereotypical way, I don't bring boys home with me, I don't go on dates with boys, I have more male friends than female, I hate shopping, I like hockey, and I banter with my brother about hot women all the time...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Be careful what you wish for, Glonkie. This thread has made it obvious that a few more logic classes wouldn't hurt you...

I've taken philosophy of logic courses, and they are perhaps the most trivial and useless courses I've ever had to spend money on.

And for what it's worth, the philosophy of logic courses here don't apply. Why? Because we're talking about people's emotions.

Logic doesn't apply to emotions.

The people being illogical here are the fools who are trying to apply logic to determine if someone can be offended or not.

And THOSE people need to get some common sense -- somethign philosophy courses in university discourages rather than develops.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Asher

It's possible, but I doubt it.
I don't act "gay" in any stereotypical way, I don't bring boys home with me, I don't go on dates with boys, I have more male friends than female, I hate shopping, I like hockey, and I banter with my brother about hot women all the time...

Do they ever "sound off" about homosexuals? I am not trying to offend or anything, but what is there view of homosexuals? Or what do you think is their view?

[Jaguar]

Something is offensive if people find it offensive. (Wow, I can't believe that I'm having to resort to such obvious arguments. ) Asher, Boris, MrFun, me, and countless others find it offensive. Therefore it is offensive. Students can be suspended for being offensive. Therefore, this guy can be suspended.

[cinch]

to Jag Warrior, Asher, Boris, etc.

Agathon & Drake's argument was defeated on page 6. The rest has just been sad.