New source for STD's in the US

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by obiwan18
STYOM:


Some will, but according to this study, there should be fewer infections, and fewer people having unsafe sex if they do not have abortion as a backup.



Condoms don't prevent all STD's. If this method worked, we would see a decline, but instead, the numbers continue to rise. All condoms do is encourage more people to engage in unsafe behavior.

You're exaggerating. I hear they can also prevent pregnancy Condoms do prevent some STDs. Not all, of course. But then, banning abortion wouldn't stop all STDs, either.

All this 'study' seems to be is a conclusion that STD rates have gone up since abortion is legalized. That's a coincidence, at least. The causality is questionable. You could blame rock music, or video games, or progressively more raunchy movies, or Bill Clintons sexual escapades for the spread of STDs, if you had chosen to make any of those your personal windmill to tilt at.

[KrazyHorse]

Condoms don't prevent all STD's.

The only one I've heard they don't protect against is crabs (since they're in the bush rather than on the skin). Which other ones do you feel they don't protect against?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Frogger

Condoms don't prevent all STD's.

The only one I've heard they don't protect against is crabs (since they're in the bush rather than on the skin). Which other ones do you feel they don't protect against?

Molluscum contagiosum:

http://www.ashastd.org/stdfaqs/molcon.html

Scabies can be transmitted through sexual contact:

http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/communicable_diseases/en/scabies.htm

And of course the unlovely human papilloma virus:

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/stdhpv.htm

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by red_jon
People get STDs on the main throught having unprotected sex. Therefore, it is highly unlikely you will get an STD if you are abstinant or having safe sex. So why should you be enforcing your will on others? It's their own risk they're taking.

preservation of the gene pool isn't just their own risk. their children could be born with the disease that their slut of a mother contracted that one night she did the whole football team.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by molly bloom


Molluscum contagiosum:

http://www.ashastd.org/stdfaqs/molcon.html

Scabies can be transmitted through sexual contact:

http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/communicable_diseases/en/scabies.htm

And of course the unlovely human papilloma virus:

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/stdhpv.htm

I'd never even heard of molluscum whatever. Seems benign. Scabies are a joke...might as well put lice.

I hadn't realised that genital warts were spread even with condom, though. Thank you...

That's the only one mentioned with potentially serious side effects (sterility, cervical cancer possible, though not likely, IIRC)

[Imran Siddiqui]

It adds to the overall cost to society for providing abortions. If STD rates go up, then the medical system, particularly in places like Canada, the taxpayers have to pay more.

Well that balances out the study that said that crime was reduced in the US because of abortions. Because poor women had less children, we had less impoverished young men (about 20-30 years after Roe) who would be more likely to commit crimes.

So it all balances out in the end .

[SlowwHand]

Re: New source for STD's in the US

Originally posted by obiwan18

http://mason.gmu.edu/~jklick/std.pdf

The abstract:

The risk of an unwanted pregnancy represents one of the major costs of sexual activity. When abortion was legalized in a number of states during the late 1960s and early 1970s (and nationally with the 1973 Supreme Court case of Roe v. Wade), this cost was reduced as women gained the option of terminating an unwanted pregnancy. We predict that abortion legalization generated incentives leading to an increase in sexual activity, accompanied by an increase in sexually transmitted diseases. Using CDC data on the incidence of gonorrhea and syphilis by state, we test the hypothesis that judicial and legislative decisions to legalize abortion lead to an increase in sexually transmitted diseases. We find that gonorrhea and syphilis incidences are significantly and positively correlated with abortion legalization. Further, we find a divergence in STD rates among early legalizing states and late legalizing states starting in 1970 and a subsequent convergence after the Roe v. Wade decision, indicating that the estimated correlation between STD rates and abortion legalization is a causal relationship. According to our estimates, abortion legalization might account for as much as one fourth of the average disease incidence, suggesting that sexual behavior is very responsive to changes in incentives.

Well, duh. Ya think ?

[Ben Kenobi]

All this 'study' seems to be is a conclusion that STD rates have gone up since abortion is legalized. That's a coincidence, at least. The causality is questionable.

STYOM:

That's a substantive critique. What strengthens the argument is that a differential in period for legalisation corresponds to a similar differential in the rate of STD transmission.

Correlation cannot produce causation, you also need a mechanism. However, I have suggested the mechanism, that women who do not have to worry about getting pregnant are less likely to take precautions when having sex. Hence, the rise in STD's resulting from abortion legalisation. Seems like a pretty clear mechanism.

[MrFun]

[Ben Kenobi]

What's the matter Mr. Fun?

[monkspider]

I have to concede that Obi Wan has an interesting point. Basically, he is saying that the legalization of abortion leads to people having more sex, and people having more sex leads to more STDs. I think that there are better ways of reducing STDs than making abortions illegal though.

[The Mad Monk]

There probably are.

I'm just getting a kick out of the people doing logical somersaults to avoid any hint of a connection.

[TheStinger]

Yes people who wnat to ban abortion on the grounds that it endangers the health of the mother long term are also being disengenuous.

I repsect much more people who just say they think abortion is wrong on moral grounds rather than dressing it up

[MRT144]

Originally posted by obiwan18
Tell that to Planned Parenthood...
They don't seem to understand that connection.

actually its funny because planned parent GIVES OUT CONDOMS! stop blaming a beloved institution (abortion) for personal failures in judgement from people

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by obiwan18
The correlation is between the number of abortions and the STD transmission rate. This increase is over and above the rate of population growth. What is also interesting is that the rate varies according to the different dates of legalisation, in that areas that were slow to legalise abortion, actually have lower STD rates.

Less reported cases of STD, because these areas are more conservative.

Originally posted by obiwan18
The general conclusion is that abortion encourages people to have unsafe sex, resulting in greater STD transmission. I had thought this to be the case before, but I had no data to back me up.

That's not necessarily the case. As I said, the study relies on reported cases for one thing. There are also other factors that can significantly affect the outcome, such as demographics.