according to one 16 year old lack of sexual morals causes genocide

[Willem]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
really? then where were all the millions of teenage mothers? Where were all the children without fathers?

They were sent to relatives that lived in the country so no one would notice. To say that sex was more wholesome back then is ludicrous; they just did a better job of hiding it.

[Willem]

Originally posted by obiwan18


Look at the divorce rate of the 50-60's compared to now. More intact families is partial evidence that things were much better back then.

No, it just means that two people who can no longer stand each other don't just stay together because of what the neighbours might think. What's worse, having parents who hate each other yet stay together, or ones that tolerate each other yet live apart? I'd put my money on the latter.

[Willem]

Originally posted by obiwan18


You have to provide some evidence that women did these things to an extent comparable to the number of abortions today. I don't believe this is so.

And how many women suffered permanent damage or even lost their lives because they went to a back-street abortionist then? Of course those numbers won't come up, the whole issue was clouded in secrecy and hushed up. If it looks like the numbers have gone up, it's just because they're actually being reported now; back then everything was just swept under the rug and denied.

[Ben Kenobi]

The point is that it is impossible, for all intents and purposes, to have accurate evidentiary support regarding the abortion rate circa 1950, since the data are innacurate (since abortions were not reported). The dataset is even worse than the data on the amount of alcohol consumption going on in, say, 1928, since there's no "Al Capone of abortion" whose bankbooks we can read (from which we can draw some rough conclusions on the amount of illegal activity going on).

loinburger:

Inaccurate estimates are better than no estimates at all.
Do you really want me to post these inaccurate estimates?

And how many women suffered permanent damage or even lost their lives because they went to a back-street abortionist then? Of course those numbers won't come up, the whole issue was clouded in secrecy and hushed up. If it looks like the numbers have gone up, it's just because they're actually being reported now; back then everything was just swept under the rug and denied.

Willem:
I say the numbers of abortions have increased 10x since legalised. Can you refute my assertion?

[RGBVideo]

I say the numbers of abortions have increased 10x since legalised. Can you refute my assertion?

Inaccurate estimates are better than no estimates at all.
Do you really want me to post these inaccurate estimates?

I don't know was it intentional or not, but it seems that you missed their point.

[Timexwatch]

I heard that for every guy that ****s, he contributes to the kitten genocide. Is this true?

[GePap]

100 years ago there was no such thing as teen mother...cause being 16 , married and with kids was al right!

Oh, and wasn't the age of consent for many places as low as 12 just a few decades ago?

yup, those were the golden times of sexual purity, yeah sir, yup, not doubt, of course, ....

[Ben Kenobi]

Tuomerahu:

Thanks... I need to be more clear.

The Supreme court used data presented before them showing 'rampant' illegal abortion numbers to validate Roe v. Wade. There have been a number of analyses done on this submission, all confirming that these estimates are inflated.

It is not impossible to come up with an estimate...that's the point I'm trying to make, it has been done, and has been submitted before the Supreme Court of the US for evidence.

SCOTUS used evidence from Tietze, estimating illegal abortions at around 1 million per year, while a more accurate assessment authored by Dr. T. Hilgers from Creighton University, estimated the figure at or somewhere near 100,000 abortions annually in the U.S.

[RGBVideo]

Obi, thanks. I just can't stand it when people are referring to some data without providing the source: for me, you either show your cards to the table or keep your mouth shut, since it makes compiling information much simplier and easier. After all, I don't know very much of this myself.

I'll wait and see if somebody posts here some opposing info about the subject, of course, to be sure.

[Ben Kenobi]

Found what I was looking for.

Beckwith.

http://www.roevwade.org/myths2.html

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by GePap
100 years ago there was no such thing as teen mother...cause being 16 , married and with kids was al right!

Oh, and wasn't the age of consent for many places as low as 12 just a few decades ago?

yup, those were the golden times of sexual purity, yeah sir, yup, not doubt, of course, ....

Well these tendencies tend to surge and disappear again in time... Much of the purity comes from the nineenth-early twentieth century where chastity was an absolute virtue... sexuality is now becoming a more open issue etc but you'll see that it'll go back into a position where everything relating to sex will be forbidden...


I'm not saying the 40-50 period was a good age concerning this issue, because back then the man was still very superior to a woman, just check advertisements from the fifties... women were regarded a bit inferior to the money making man!!!

All that "opening the door for the lady" and all that meaningless behaviour (being exceptionally polite) to women originates frmo the middle ages, where women were regarded as "the cure" for their disease, which was love, and so they were treated like they were godesses, but in fact they had nothing to say...

Anyway that kind of being polite will disappear in time as well
But it will all come back, so why are people annoyed with all these teens having sex earlier and earlier... it'll go over in time!

[Traianvs]

Of course, people are having sex much earlier, and they're getting married and **** a lot later which is kinda odd of course...

I heard the average age to have sex is what 15 years now??
And people getting married, in Belgium, many wait until they are 30 or older...

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by obiwan18

Inaccurate estimates are better than no estimates at all.

Here's my inaccurate estimate. 8 billion, annually.

I say the numbers of abortions have increased 10x since legalised. Can you refute my assertion?

I say that fairies live at the bottom of my garden, and that I shot JFK because he made disparaging comments about the fact that I consider the cure for the world's problems to be acorns. Can you refute that?

[Ari Rahikkala]

Ah, forget the sex of the 40's and 50's, bring here the sex of the 60's!

[Jack_www]

Now I can say that underage sex and sex before marrage can bring a lot of problems, such as children born out wedlock and unwanted, STDs, and host of other things, but gencide? Were did this come from?