according to one 16 year old lack of sexual morals causes genocide

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Lincoln
This is one reason why we are hated by other coutures. We think it is normal to be bombarded by sex in every conceivable form. Much of the rest of the world thinks we are depraved. I think they are right. I can't even open my email box without being offered 10 or 15 opportunities to engage in some unnatural act with whatever or whomever. No wonder kids are so screwed up.

aparently the rest of the world isnt europe or japan. wait thats damn bloody convienent for your political agenda!

[Mr. President]

[quote]Much of the rest of the world thinks we are depraved. I think they are right. [/quote[

I suppose strapping a bomb to your chest and expecting to be greeted by 72 virgins after your torso hits the pavement isn't depraved because the people who believe it come from the Third World?

[loinburger]

Originally posted by obiwan18
So if we don't see anything, it must be there?

Please point to the part of my post where I said anything to this effect, or, barring that, please quit with the strawmen.

Somehow I expected better.

Somehow I expected that you wouldn't have immediately resorted to jibes. Such is life.

More intact families is partial evidence that things were much better back then.

I'd hardly take that as a given. From personal experience, it is nearly impossible to estimate how "good" somebody's family life is based solely on whether or not their parents are divorced -- it's incredibly presumptuous to assume that a "broken family" is necessarily inferior to an "unbroken family," even on average.

As for the abortion rate, don't go there loinburger. In the absence of evidence, all you can conclude is that abortion has increased 10 fold since legalised.

Sure, clearly doctors were faithfully reporting all of the illegal abortions that they performed, so the statistics must be correct...

Finally, look at teenage pregnancy rates? Do they not skyrocket after the 60's?

You didn't even read my post, did you?

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by loinburger

I'd hardly take that as a given. From personal experience, it is nearly impossible to estimate how "good" somebody's family life is based solely on whether or not their parents are divorced -- it's incredibly presumptuous to assume that a "broken family" is necessarily inferior to an "unbroken family," even on average.

the last point I will disagree with you on

it seems that nonbroken families are better _onaverage_

I am pretty sure that there were studies backing this up (it also seems highly logical)

Jon Miller

[Nubclear]

That gos the same for countries such as Russu, and Jappan. All those country at one time were great, but fell. I’m not saying it’s only do to the sex, but the sexual behaved did play a large part in the mindset of the people.

Yep In Moscow, the women simply lifted their shirts.....And the entire country fell

I heard a similar incident in some Japanese cities at the end of WW2....

[Jon Miller]

hmm

I have an idea for Iraq

Jon Miller

[Nubclear]

Speaking of which, read Mings "Patriotic Duty" threaed.

It simply proves Ming is out to commit genocide

[Ben Kenobi]

So, the key is sex ed !

Nah, just wanted to tease you with that.

Spiffor:

I'm not opposed to sex-ed, so long as they include abstinence education as part of the package.

And no need to whisper. I won't take offense.

loinburger:

My jibe was uncalled for. I'm sorry, and I'll edit it out. You can quote it in your sig if you want.

I quoted the strawman.

You have to provide some evidence that women did these things to an extent comparable to the number of abortions today. I don't believe this is so.

From personal experience, it is nearly impossible to estimate how "good" somebody's family life is based solely on whether or not their parents are divorced -- it's incredibly presumptuous to assume that a "broken family" is necessarily inferior to an "unbroken family," even on average.

Do you have another standard? Lacking a perfect standard, we should go with an imperfect measure.

Sure, clearly doctors were faithfully reporting all of the illegal abortions that they performed, so the statistics must be correct

Can you provide estimates for underreporting?

Do you have anything to say about my teen pregnancy claim?

[Dom Pedro II]

I think that it would be better to analyse it from the perspective of "back then" rather than now. I mean, today, if a family is not working, then there is a divorce. If the family is unbroken, its because it works.

Fifty years ago, however, quite often if the marriage wasn't working, they stayed together anyway. They did so because it was the social norm to do so. You should, therefore, if possible, try to find out how many of the families worked well, and then compare it with the number of unbroken families today.

[Ben Kenobi]

How do you define a family as functional?

That's a very difficult criterion, Dom Pedro.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by obiwan18
You have to provide some evidence that women did these things to an extent comparable to the number of abortions today. I don't believe this is so.

The point is that it is impossible, for all intents and purposes, to have accurate evidentiary support regarding the abortion rate circa 1950, since the data are innacurate (since abortions were not reported). The dataset is even worse than the data on the amount of alcohol consumption going on in, say, 1928, since there's no "Al Capone of abortion" whose bankbooks we can read (from which we can draw some rough conclusions on the amount of illegal activity going on).

Do you have another standard? Lacking a perfect standard, we should go with an imperfect measure.

Why is a measure necessary at all? Even were one to prove beyond any doubt that family life is more miserable now than it was fifty years ago, this would still not bely the root cause of this degredation. Why blame sexual liberation as opposed to, say, the fact that the Catholic Church no longer says its masses in Latin, or the advent of computer technology, or any other of the near-infinite number of changes that have occurred over the past fifty years? Measuring the inferiority/superiority of family life over the past fifty years will not help in this at all.

Can you provide estimates for underreporting?

'Course not. Unlike Prohibition, the amount of illegal activity cannot be accurately guessed at, owing to the decentralized nature of the crime being committed.

Do you have anything to say about my teen pregnancy claim?

It's throwing the cart before the horse. Did sexual liberation cause the teen pregnancies, or did it merely expose the problem of them? Did it cause the abortion rate to incraese, or did it merely expose the accurate abortion rate? Did the end of prohibition cause the drinking rate to increase, or did it merely cause the real drinking rate to be accurately reported? It's nearly impossible to determine cause-and-effect in a situation like this, especially when it is impossible to glean semi-accurate data from the evidence at hand.

[monolith94]

" and Monolith, I know many people who have very unmature attitudes towards sex"

That's your experience - I have mine.

[Lincoln]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Mr. President

Much of the rest of the world thinks we are depraved. I think they are right. [/quote[

I suppose strapping a bomb to your chest and expecting to be greeted by 72 virgins after your torso hits the pavement isn't depraved because the people who believe it come from the Third World?

I am sure that you are trying to make a point here. Would you mind telling me what it is? What do suicide bombers have to do with "much of the rest of the world"? Do you think that much of the rest of the world straps bombs to their chest?

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000


Yep In Moscow, the women simply lifted their shirts.....And the entire country fell

I heard a similar incident in some Japanese cities at the end of WW2....

Yes, but those last few hours until the end were great!

[Willem]

Originally posted by Olaf Hårfagre
Let me guess that he lives quite far from the Canadian border?

What's that supposed to mean? FYI, Canadians can be just as prudish and moralistic as our American cousins, especially the English speaking ones.