US losing faith in Canada

[KrazyHorse]

NYE: the CA polled 25% last election overall, didn't they?

And they got how many? 64 out of 300?

Not too far off...

The ones who got screwed were the NDP and PC...

[Willem]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger




From whom you want this protection? The only country in the world that has the biggest chance of invading Canada is the US. But if the US decides to invade Canada, it doesn't matter how much $ Canada puts towards defense spending.

The Libs aren't stupid, they are smart.

Even still, our military is becoming rather embarrasing; the Liberals have neglected it for quite a long time now. Our helicopters are 40 years old for crying out loud, with constant problems, and our navy isn't much better.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Geez, seems they polled over 1 million votes in Ontario last go around. 1 051 209, to be exact.

The Liberals did a little better than double that. 2 292 075 in Ontario in 2000.

Due to the method of deciding seats, that translated into... 2 seats for the CA and 100 for the Liberals. Nope! Nothing broke. Nothin needs fixin.

Must be good to have that archaic system kicking around, so that uprighteous folks can claim that the loons are confined to Red Neck country.

Out of curiosity, how many votes did the Liberals get in AB and BC compared to the 'Alliance', and how many seats did they get?

The system cuts both ways.

[Asher]

The problem, you see, is Canada is screwed.

Not only is the system flawed, but the people have peculiar and unusual attitudes and there are no competent leaders, at all.

This is what happens when all your smart people move south.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Geez, seems they polled over 1 million votes in Ontario last go around. 1 051 209, to be exact.

The Liberals did a little better than double that. 2 292 075 in Ontario in 2000.

Due to the method of deciding seats, that translated into... 2 seats for the CA and 100 for the Liberals. Nope! Nothing broke. Nothin needs fixin.

Must be good to have that archaic system kicking around, so that uprighteous folks can claim that the loons are confined to Red Neck country.

Don't jump on me. I'm not entirely serious when I make fun of them, although Harper is a bit of a buffoon and doesn't do them credit. I agree the present system should be reformed in favour of a form of proportional representation. Unfortunately, this would mean a lurch to the left due to the fact that the Westminster system favours conservative parties. The NDP would do very well under PR.

But be my guest...

[Ben Kenobi]

I, personally, would want my Prime Minister to be a little better at interpreting data.

cinch:

Well, a PM is not supposed to be a scientist. I'd rather have a PM who could deliver competent, compelling speeches.

As for Yogic Flyers:


Agathon:

But it's the fault of the right for not being able to compromise and present a credible alternative.

Last I heard Joe Who rejected the offer placed by the CA. So if you blame one side, blame the Conservatives.

*sigh* I miss Manning as well.

Let's have the CONFOOOORM Party!

[Asher]

Originally posted by obiwan18
Last I heard Joe Who rejected the offer placed by the CA. So if you blame one side, blame the Conservatives.

*sigh* I miss Manning as well.

Let's have the CONFOOOORM Party!

The Conservatives are not the same as the CA, why the hell would Joe jump ship to a completely different party?

I'd vote PC over CA anyday. The CA are way too religious to be sane.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Asher
[...] there are no competent leaders, at all.
This is what happens when all your smart people move south.

I guess the leaders are more competent down south

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Asher
The problem, you see, is Canada is screwed.

Not only is the system flawed, but the people have peculiar and unusual attitudes and there are no competent leaders, at all.

This is what happens when all your smart people move south.

It is not "screwed". Canada has one of the best social and economic systems in the world. The UN Human development index always puts Canada in the top 5 and at one point recently they were top 7 years in a row. Crime is low; there is a good mix of public and private media; the health system is one of the world's finest public health systems; it manages to keep the French and English from killing each other. What more could you want?

That is spectacular success and would be trumpeted to the heavens if it happened in any other country. In the few years I've lived here I've been impressed and I've become attached to it.

So there..

[Asher]

Originally posted by Spiffor
I guess the leaders are more competent down south

Actually, YES.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Willem
Even still, our military is becoming rather embarrasing; the Liberals have neglected it for quite a long time now. Our helicopters are 40 years old for crying out loud, with constant problems, and our navy isn't much better.

The Forces are not an embarrasing. They are incredibly well-trained and can do twice as much with half the equipment as some of our allies.

Our frigates are modern and well-equipped for the jobs they have to do. The new subs are having teething problems, but they're better than the old ones and will be excellent once the kinks are worked out.

Some of the helicopters are quite old, but we also have new ones that just came into service.

Don't fall into the trap of believing the old stories about the Forces. Things are improving and the Forces continue to do excellent work around the world.

[notyoueither]

My point is, that most of the CAs support is not in Alberta. Most of it is elsewhere. They are not just the nutters in pick up trucks with stags tied to the hood.

Yes, the PCs and NDP did get it worse, and the Liberals came out best (40% of the vote with 57% of the seats).

Optimally, there would be a Commons with a semblence of proportional representation based on pop, and an upper house based along some kind of regional lines.

[Ben Kenobi]

The system cuts both ways.

Our system is fractured enough already. Why have PR and need coalition governments every election?

Asher:

The Conservatives are not the same as the CA, why the hell would Joe jump ship to a completely different party?

Why not form a party that can challenge the Liberals? As is, neither party will get anywhere.

If you want to soften the CA, you need to do so from the inside...

[Willem]

Originally posted by Asher


Smart? No, they certainly are not. They're lucky: Both in that the Canadian people don't know any better, and that Chretien has such a firm control over the media.

You're forgetting maybe the lack of a viable opposition? Mulroney essentialy destroyed the Conservatives inthe eye of the public, and Stockwell Day has done the same with the Alliance. Not to mention that the people in Ontario and Quebec will never go for them to begin with, and they need those votes if they hope to gain power. Until the Alliance starts moving towards the center, they'll never make it as a national party.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by obiwan18

Last I heard Joe Who rejected the offer placed by the CA. So if you blame one side, blame the Conservatives.

I'm blaming both as I think that the Alliance is the problem as they are too extreme for Canada.

They need to dump everyone and stop this toadying to the Americans. In short a new Canadian conservative party that dumps the religious stuff and is slightly to the right of the Liberals on the economy and military issues. I think they'd have a good shot.