I become afraid of my own anti-Americanism

[Amesjustin]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Daniel Pearl will still be avenged.

Along with the 3000+ victims of 9/11.

There is plenty of evidence linking Saddams regime to the Al Qaeda. And for those of you who think I have fallen victim to American propaganda, the most convincing evidence I have found was on the BBC.

[nationalist]

Originally posted by CapitanGarlic
Wait, Sloww -- You don't think Saddam could take Dubya in a fight? Secret service doesn't count...

W seems like he's in pretty good shape, and hes at least 15 years younger than Sadaam. I think that he'd give Sadaam a pretty good fight, especially if he's all hopped up on coke.

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by Amesjustin


Along with the 3000+ victims of 9/11.

There is plenty of evidence linking Saddams regime to the Al Qaeda. And for those of you who think I have fallen victim to American propaganda, the most convincing evidence I have found was on the BBC.

Instead of just saying you got evidence, you might want to show that evidence...

It's like saying like Iraq has WMD, which may be true, but I want proof before I am convinced, I'm sorry but that's just logical I think.

[SlowwHand]

GW wold kick Hussein's ass up between his shoulder blades.

[Amesjustin]

Originally posted by BeBro


It was certainly your fantasy that he would masturbate while watching videos.

And if you would spend a little time to think over his post you´d see that he actually admitted that he has problems with his own feelings (which means he´s aware that they may be wrong).

But of course shouting at him it is much easier...

My main problem with him is his pleasure at the prospect of someone elses pain and possibly death. Saying he might be aware he is wrong is inconsequential. If someone stabbed your whole family to death, and then said "Gee, I guess maybe I shouldn't have done that" going to stop you from hating him?

And for the record, I never shouted.

[Willem]

Originally posted by Amesjustin


My main problem with him is his pleasure at the prospect of someone elses pain and possibly death. Saying he might be aware he is wrong is inconsequential. If someone stabbed your whole family to death, and then said "Gee, I guess maybe I shouldn't have done that" going to stop you from hating him?

And for the record, I never shouted.

And you as an American have never derived pleasure at the thought of killing Saddam and his cronies? Seeing your troops roll through Iraq and beating the crap out Iraqi forces doesn't stir some sense of gratification inside of you? Those are people too, many of whom are just following orders or risk execution. Do you feel bad about the fact that they are losing their lives as well, or are you cheering "Go team", with every battle that American forces take Iraqi lives?

[Amesjustin]

Originally posted by Trajanus


Instead of just saying you got evidence, you might want to show that evidence...

It's like saying like Iraq has WMD, which may be true, but I want proof before I am convinced, I'm sorry but that's just logical I think.

Which is why I referenced the BBC. Go to BBC.com and look for the speech Tony Blair gave before they voted to go to war.

As far as proof of Iraqs WMD - that same speech by Tony Blair. You can also come visit the graves of my two cousins and a neighbor of mine who died extremely rare forms of cancer while in their early 20's - all within 4 years after Desert Storm.

Iraq also said they have no long range missiles. How many have they fired into Kuwait so far? 18 or so? I am not sure but any number greater than 0 is proof of a lie. Saddam has said numerous times over the past twelve years that they have no WMD type materials, and numerous times over the past twelve years he has been proven a liar.

I am convinced.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Willem
And you as an American have never derived pleasure at the thought of killing Saddam and his cronies? Seeing your troops roll through Iraq and beating the crap out Iraqi forces doesn't stir some sense of gratification inside of you? Those are people too, many of whom are just following orders or risk execution. Do you feel bad about the fact that they are losing their lives as well, or are you cheering "Go team", with every battle that American forces take Iraqi lives?

Of course not. Why would anybody enjoy seeing real people being killed?

[Sandman]

Saddam would rip Bush to shreds.

[Amesjustin]

Originally posted by Willem
And you as an American have never derived pleasure at the thought of killing Saddam and his cronies? Seeing your troops roll through Iraq and beating the crap out Iraqi forces doesn't stir some sense of gratification inside of you? Those are people too, many of whom are just following orders or risk execution. Do you feel bad about the fact that they are losing their lives as well, or are you cheering "Go team", with every battle that American forces take Iraqi lives?

Honestly, I feel disgust, dismay, and once we have Saddam there will be some sense of satisfaction, yes. War is a horrible thing, and I feel that the taking of another life can only be justified when the person in question is a serious threat to others. Saddam is a serious threat. He needs to be dead. Same goes for other members of his cabinet who support him.

The best solution would be if we could simply asassinate him and his supportive cronies. This would save the lives of all the innocents who live in Iraq as well as our people. Unfortunately Jimmy Carter signed away that possibility when he was president.

The US forces are taking good care of the innocent Iraqis - not slaughtering them as Saddam would if the tables were turned. Some US forces have already been killed and injured for this, and still some Iraqis decieve.

War is an absolute last resort. Most people would agree to that. What everyone is arguing about is whether or not we have reached that point.

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by Amesjustin


Which is why I referenced the BBC. Go to BBC.com and look for the speech Tony Blair gave before they voted to go to war.

As far as proof of Iraqs WMD - that same speech by Tony Blair. You can also come visit the graves of my two cousins and a neighbor of mine who died extremely rare forms of cancer while in their early 20's - all within 4 years after Desert Storm.

Iraq also said they have no long range missiles. How many have they fired into Kuwait so far? 18 or so? I am not sure but any number greater than 0 is proof of a lie. Saddam has said numerous times over the past twelve years that they have no WMD type materials, and numerous times over the past twelve years he has been proven a liar.

I am convinced.

LOL, have you got any brains up there? or are you one of those 87% Of Americans that can't point Iraq on a map.... Just pointing out that Iraq borders with Kuwait and that it doesn't need long distance rockets to hit Kuwait at all... What is true though is that they had a few missiles that reached farther than was officially allowed, but only with an extra 50 kilometers etc, these missiles couldn't get to Israel anyway.. who gives a damn about that.

Btw I know about Tony Blairs speech, and it didn't give me any evidence about WMD in Iraq. Further, being a proven liar doesn't mean you lie about everything right? I think he realizes that if WMDs were actually found, that he would be in big trouble as he didn't report those. Another thing, Saddam may have used chemical weapons in the first Gulf war, but so did the US. And btw the Us bombs have done more damage than chemical weapons from the IRaqis ever did.

For me it's not whether they used chemical weapons, a simple fragmentation bomb can cause just as much if not much much more damage to people.

[Traianvs]

The best solution would be if we could simply asassinate him and his supportive cronies. This would save the lives of all the innocents who live in Iraq as well as our people. Unfortunately Jimmy Carter signed away that possibility when he was president.

Assassinating Saddam wouldn't solve everything, the Baath party would probably have several other Saddam-ish guys that could replace saddam. Though that's not sure, the Regime is not as strong as it used to be, I don't think it would have held out that much longer if there hadn't been a war.

[Amesjustin]

Originally posted by Trajanus
LOL, have you got any brains up there? or are you one of those 87% Of Americans that can't point Iraq on a map.... Just pointing out that Iraq borders with Kuwait and that it doesn't need long distance rockets to hit Kuwait at all...

I see you are as mature as you are intelligent. I don't know where you got that figure but is pile of crap at best. The missiles in question traveled well past the allowed distance into Kuwait. If you are going rebutt my posts and accuse me of not doing my research, I suggest you do yours.

Originally posted by Trajanus
Btw I know about Tony Blairs speech, and it didn't give me any evidence about WMD in Iraq. Further, being a proven liar doesn't mean you lie about everything right? I think he realizes that if WMDs were actually found, that he would be in big trouble as he didn't report those. Another thing, Saddam may have used chemical weapons in the first Gulf war, but so did the US.

While being a proven liar doesn't necesarily mean you will lie about everything, when Saddam has told NOTHING BUT lies for 12 years about his WMDs, any person whose brain possesses the logic of at least a 6 year old would begin to assume that perhaps what he says should no longer be trusted.

BTW, please tell me what proof you have of the US using chemical weapons in Desert Storm?

[Amesjustin]

Originally posted by Trajanus
Assassinating Saddam wouldn't solve everything, the Baath party would probably have several other Saddam-ish guys that could replace saddam. Though that's not sure, the Regime is not as strong as it used to be, I don't think it would have held out that much longer if there hadn't been a war.

There will always be problems. This solution is simply the most efficient. Solve the greater portion of the problem with the fewest casualties on both sides. Why it is illegal I do not know.

[SlowwHand]

Trajanus, maybe it's not too late, but read about the returning members before you sign on the dotted line.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/03/sprj.irq.human.shields/

If you insist on going though, feel free.

http://www.anglingforums.co.uk/torben/

See you, buddy.