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**Asher** · March 25, 2003, 02:45

Originally posted by Willem
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that also a Christian thing? I'd say there's alot more people who believe in an afterlife in America than in Afghanistan. I could be mistaken but I doubt it.

I'm fairly sure you're mistaken. There are no doubt MANY religious people in America (

) but there are no doubt MANY more religious people in Afghanistan...

**Willem** · March 25, 2003, 02:46

Originally posted by Asher

Honest question: If pure, hardcore truth is all your after -- what do you think of the 5 year olds watching this?

Then why not just run the video in the eveneing when a 5 year old is supposed to be in bed? Very simple really.

**Asher** · March 25, 2003, 02:48

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
No ashwer, I dont want to FORCE them. If I did, I would have the government pass a law requiring that everyone take 1000 pictures of the dead bodies, sign them, and put them all over their house. (4000 pictures will be the averege)

You're taking the "force" statement too literally (sorry, I left this up for you to deduce on your own but it looks like I'll have to explain it anyway

)

By making all the big-name news networks switch to showing the full carnage, you're "forcing" America to watch it because all of their major sources show it. You're shoving it in their face and screaming "TAKE IT! TAKE ITTT!!!!!".

That's the reason you don't want it on a new network. You know that Americans don't want to see the carnage, and the only way to get them to watch it is to force it on CNN and hopefully people will inadvertently watch it or be too lazy to turn the channel every time a "warning" comes up...

**Nubclear** · March 25, 2003, 02:48

Originally posted by Asher

I'm fairly sure you're mistaken. There are no doubt MANY religious people in America (

) but there are no doubt MANY more religious people in Afghanistan...

We have a population of 250 million.

They have a pop of 30 million.

I'm sure there are at least 30 million religious people in the US

**Asher** · March 25, 2003, 02:49

Originally posted by Willem
Then why not just run the video in the eveneing when a 5 year old is supposed to be in bed? Very simple really.

Or even better, why not air it at all?

The people who would stay up to a specific time late at night to see it may as well just get the thing on the 'net...

**Willem** · March 25, 2003, 02:49

Originally posted by Asher

I've never said anything of the sort, nor implied it.

Take your strawmen elsewhere...

Not everybody -- just the people who need it.

You said flat out that it would traumatize millions. Don't make me go back and copy your quote. Those of us in the Vietnam generation saw some horrific things on our TV sets, and most of us have since grown up to become well adjusted adults. Give people some credit, they can deal with these types of things much better than you think they can.

**Asher** · March 25, 2003, 02:50

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
We have a population of 250 million.

They have a pop of 30 million.

I'm sure there are at least 30 million religious people in the US

Is this a joke?

I'm not talking raw numbers, I'm talking percentages. That should have been obvious...

**Nubclear** · March 25, 2003, 02:50

Originally posted by Asher

By making all the big-name news networks switch to showing the full carnage, you're "forcing" America to watch it because all of their major sources show it. You're shoving it in their face and screaming "TAKE IT! TAKE ITTT!!!!!".

And they can deny it.

So in that sense yes I do want to "force" them. Though in the literal sense, I dont

That's the reason you don't want it on a new network. You know that Americans don't want to see the carnage, and the only way to get them to watch it is to force it on CNN and hopefully people will inadvertently watch it or be too lazy to turn the channel every time a "warning" comes up...

Actually......Usually after a disaster, people watch more news

And I'm not about to start a News Network in LOGAN UTAH and try to make it internationale just so people who want the FULL news can get it.

**Nubclear** · March 25, 2003, 02:51

Originally posted by Asher

Is this a joke?

I'm not talking raw numbers, I'm talking percentages. That should have been obvious...

It was.

100 percent of people in my house like the Russian flag and think its the best.

I'm sure the number is less than 50 percent in America

But hey, I got 100 percent so most people must thbink the Russian flag is the best

**Asher** · March 25, 2003, 02:52

Originally posted by Willem
You said flat out that it would traumatize millions.

Hello, millions != "everyone"

Don't make me go back and copy your quote.

Do you think you could manage to do that without hurting yourself?

Those of us in the Vietnam generation saw some horrific things on our TV sets

I love this, not because it doesn't disprove anything about being traumatizing, but because it illustrates that showing the "full impact of war" doesn't change a damn thing. The US administration was alive and well in the Vietnam war, they know the harsh realities of war first-hand in many cases, and still they support it.

There's simply no case for showing the carnage of war on everyone's TV.

**Nubclear** · March 25, 2003, 02:52

Originally posted by Asher

Or even better, why not air it at all?

The people who would stay up to a specific time late at night to see it may as well just get the thing on the 'net...

Most Americans dont even stay up to watch "normal" news

**Nubclear** · March 25, 2003, 02:54

Ill save him the trouble

Asher
King

Nov 1999
time: 11:53:38 PM

24-03-2003 11:09:20 PM link

Agathon, at first my opinion of you sunk to new lows when you referred to the police as "pigs" in the protest thread.

And now you've gotten to the point where you want to cause trauma to millions of people because you want them all to be anti-war. And even that logic doesn't make sense.

though it doesnt help Willems case.......

**Asher** · March 25, 2003, 02:55

Tass, what's the point of that?

I realize I said it would traumatize millions of people.

Willem either has reading comprehension problems or intentionally set up a strawman which said that an "entire generation" became "raving lunatics" because of it.

It's a blatant strawman, I never said either "entire generation" nor that it caused people to become "raving lunatics".

Edit: Ah, you added some of your own text to the quote's context. Makes more sense now.

**Nubclear** · March 25, 2003, 02:56

Originally posted by Asher
Tass, what's the point of that?

I realize I said it would traumatize millions of people.

Willem either has reading comprehension problems or intentionally set up a strawmen which said that an "entire generation" became "raving lunatics" because of it.

It's a blatant strawman, I never said either "entire generation" nor that it caused people to become "raving lunatics".

you missed my edit

**Willem** · March 25, 2003, 02:58

Originally posted by Asher

I'm fairly sure you're mistaken. There are no doubt MANY religious people in America (

) but there are no doubt MANY more religious people in Afghanistan...

The population of Afghanistan is what, about 25-30 million? I'm not entirely sure. The US is about 300 million, and I'd say there must be at least 15% of those with a moderate to strong believe in Christianity, and an afterlife. So America Christians would easily top Afghani Muslims.

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