Who watches Al Jazeera?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
BUT MOST PEOPLE JUST DONT HAVE ENOUGH INTEREST TO TAKE ALL THAT TIME TO SEE IT.

If most people don't have interest in it, WHY DO YOU WANT CNN TO SHOW IT?

Look, let's look at the facts:
1) The material in question is readily available, both online and on alternate networks
2) CNN is frequently on display in public areas (schools, TVs in malls/stores, etc)
3) Children frequently watch TV without parental supervision and could be caused great trauma by being shown the footage
4) There is absolutely nothing newsworthy about the corpses and carnage, aside from shock value that the shameful left want everyone to see in a misguided attempt to get more people to oppose the war

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Sigh. I can't convince him, he can't convince me.

I propose we end the debate.

What is this, a white flag?

[cinch]

While the idea of showing corpses on TV does nothing for me, I do admit that it would probably be best for the news channels to show them, edited maybe, with a warning...

I don't really think it's right to show pic after pic of the "strike" on Baghdad, without showing some of the consequences of that, whether it is the "collateral damage" in the blast area, or what have you.

War is hell, and no one should ideally have to face it, but people have to understand what they're signing off on here...

I don't think coddling is going to help anyone. We, the West, were coddled up until 9-11, and then we saw the truth. Let's not get wrapped up in our delusions again.

[Imran Siddiqui]

but because I think they are educational regarding what human beings can do to each other.

Then show it in schools. Don't pollute the airwaves with it.

How do you propose showing it? "Btw, people, here are some pictures of dead, bloody Americans". Yeah... right. Then everyone would start complaining about CNN showing gratuitous violence for no reason (except maybe ratings).

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Asher

Don't pollute the "clean" networks with carnage, you're just going to drive people away from watching it. And apathy is far more dangerous...

Interesting - the "clean" networks are the morally upright ones for hiding the truth. I don't think people would be driven away from watching it - look at 911.

It's like the German attitude to the holocaust. We won't make people feel bad about what we're doing to the Jews so we won't talk about it.

Sick.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Asher

If most people don't have interest in it, WHY DO YOU WANT CNN TO SHOW IT?

I said "ENOUGH". It changes the meaning

3) Children frequently watch TV without parental supervision and could be caused great trauma by being shown the footage

Children simply shouldnt be watching the 'Adult' version of CNN. They should watch some childrens news network. (Please dont say "Well thats CNN!!!" )

4) There is absolutely nothing newsworthy about the corpses and carnage, aside from shock value that the shameful left want everyone to see in a misguided attempt to get more people to oppose the war

Ah, so are you saying if people saw what the bombs are doing, they would oppose war?

Maybe they'd be happy were killing the "terrorists". Its their belief......But to convinently leave out the facts of the war is making it all biased.

[cinch]

Then everyone would start complaining about CNN showing gratuitous violence for no reason (except maybe ratings).

Well, they already broadcast a live firefight... That had a high potential for gratuitous violence, I'd say.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Asher

What is this, a white flag?

Nope.

Here are the facts:

You haven't convinced me to your side.
I haven't convinced you to my side.

I can go on as long as you want (or until I must sleep). You should see me in some other threads

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
Interesting - the "clean" networks are the morally upright ones for hiding the truth.

Interesting spin by someone without an argument.
They're not hiding the truth, they're telling us plainly when people are killed. They're just not forcing us to watch them all die, because most of us are revolted by that and don't want to see it.

I don't think people would be driven away from watching it - look at 911.

I didn't see too many corpses in 9-11, did you?

It's like the German attitude to the holocaust.

For a second there I thought you were referring to the idiots who appeased Hitler, like you appease Iraq.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by cinch
While the idea of showing corpses on TV does nothing for me, I do admit that it would probably be best for the news channels to show them, edited maybe, with a warning...

I don't really think it's right to show pic after pic of the "strike" on Baghdad, without showing some of the consequences of that, whether it is the "collateral damage" in the blast area, or what have you.

War is hell, and no one should ideally have to face it, but people have to understand what they're signing off on here...

I don't think coddling is going to help anyone. We, the West, were coddled up until 9-11, and then we saw the truth. Let's not get wrapped up in our delusions again.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

but because I think they are educational regarding what human beings can do to each other.

Then show it in schools. Don't pollute the airwaves with it.

How do you propose showing it? "Btw, people, here are some pictures of dead, bloody Americans". Yeah... right. Then everyone would start complaining about CNN showing gratuitous violence for no reason (except maybe ratings).

Adults are the ones who need educating. I like this, "don't pollute our streets with it"; whilst your government rains fire and brimstone down on civilians and "pollutes" their streets with blood and gore.

I've watched someone die - I know what it's like. Everyone should - for the simple reason that they should know what they are doing when they agree to have others killed.

Sick.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Nope.

Here are the facts:

You haven't convinced me to your side.
I haven't convinced you to my side.

Oh come on, it's obvious what happened to your argument.

You've even fell to the point of talking about "Adult CNN" and "Kids CNN"

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Asher

Interesting spin by someone without an argument.
They're not hiding the truth, they're telling us plainly when people are killed. They're just not forcing us to watch them all die, because most of us are revolted by that and don't want to see it.

I suspect most people would be interested in what were doing to Iraq. I support footage of dead bodies, or living conditions, or collapsing buildings.....And then let the people decide.

I didn't see too many corpses in 9-11, did you?

But it was still horrifying. It shocked America into reality (for a while).

For a second there I thought you were referring to the idiots who appeased Hitler, like you appease Iraq.

ASHER has commited a......RED HERRING!

[Willem]

Originally posted by Asher


I'm sure I'm not alone, in your righteous ill-planned idea to show the full horrors of war on TV you're forgetting you're going to probably alienate and turn off far more people than you fascinate. And the people who become fascinated by it need to seek help.

When I was growing up, we used to see some scenes from the Vietnam War on the news, and believe me there were some pretty graphic images being aired then. And people didn't become fascinated, they became disgusted. That's one reason, a very big one, why the anti-war movement grew and eventually put a stop to the whole thing. And that's why CNN et al won't air it this time.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Asher

Oh come on, it's obvious what happened to your argument.

You've even fell to the point of talking about "Adult CNN" and "Kids CNN"

Can't debate the issue, so instead we resort to "Your argument just fell apart "?

How nice, Asher.

In fact, that IS a debate fallacy......Can't remember what its called though.

But instead of forming ANY arguement, your simply saying my argument fell apart and leaving it at that. Since its not logical in ANY way......You lose the debate.