The Star Wars vs Star Trek Thread; because it's been awhile.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten


What about Dune?

Dune is nothing.

[Drake Tungsten]

Dune is nothing.

The mere presence of the Kwisatz Haderach is enough to guarantee victory for the Dune forces. If there is a way to beat the enemy, he already knows it...

[Boris Godunov]

So how would one take out an Imperial Star Destroyer whilst riding a sand worm?

[Drake Tungsten]

So how would one take out an Imperial Star Destroyer whilst riding a sand worm?

There are spaceships in Dune, you know.

[Dr Strangelove]

What about a Tarkelean Battle Cruiser? Even one has the capacity to destroy earth, and they've got thousands of them. For that matter even the tiny "noisy cricket" has the capability of blowing a hole the size of a truck in the hull of your Imperial Stardestroyer!

[Kramerman]

But I can say that Erthfrce Marines would wipe the floor wih those storm troopers.

I couldnt disagree more. Again, I must explain that Storm Troopers are hard corps elite shock troops, who are 100% loyal soldiers to the New Order (ie Empire). They would be the equivalent of US Airborne Rangers today, as far as their elitism. I dont recall the details of their training, but it is deadly, many die routinely as the weak are weeded out through strenuous drills and live fire excersises. They are also somewhat brainwashed to be completely and absolutely loyal to the Emperor (his Force skills are partially behind this, using the dark side to influence their minds).

Their light-weight futuristic composite polymer body Armor is invulnerable to most any ballistic small arms fire (modern hand guns and rifles) and resistant to blaster fire. It is temperature controled, vacuum proof, and self powered and self-sustaining (with internal food and H2O supplies) for something like a week, IIRC.
Inside the helmet is various sensory inhancement devices (infrared vision, NOD, autofocus zoom, radar, GPS tracker, etc) squad linked comlinks for tactical maneuvers by the commanders and a bunch of other stuff.

This, and the Imperial Storm Trooper utility belt which has all sorts of goodies (grappling hook, extra magazines, etc) for all sorts of situations, and the standard issue E-1 Blaster Rifle. This rifle has 100 shots stored in a detachable box magazine, and is very accurate. The Stock can be removed and the barrel can be shortened quickly to reveal a compact carbine, which has nearly the capabilities of its larger incarnation, and is more weildy in the sometimes cramped interiors of Starships (helpful in close-courters combat in ship bording opperations and such), making it the perfered transformation of the weapon of many. As a standard mount comes a open-sight operture and an off center macro-scope for longrange fire, tho most ISTs are proficient at firing from the hip or shoulder at close ranges using the open sight (more weildy in the close confines of many of the IST's combat environments)

All of this combined with insanely efficient military order and discipine sets ISTs apart, and is the reason why they are feared throughout the galaxy.

Lonestar, Boris

[Drake Tungsten]

All of this combined with insanely efficient military order and discipine sets ISTs apart, and is the reason why they are feared throughout the galaxy.

Fremen and Sardaukar would mop the floor with Stormtroopers...

Dune!!!

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Kramerman
I couldnt disagree more. Again, I must explain that Storm Troopers are hard corps elite shock troops,

Who fall before the might of the teddy bears.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Lonestar


We do, huh? What episode of B5 was that?(when we saw the vorlon planetkiller in action and/or effects)

I can't give you the episode name/number, but its the one where the planet killers are first put to use. Ivanova reports on it...

"Sir, Carnuba 5 (or whatever it was) is gone."

"You mean we lost contact?"

"No, it's gone...it's not there anymore."

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Who fall before the might of the teddy bears.

they got lucky!


no no, Boris has explained that already. The teddy bears, err, i mean Ewoks (damn, when i was a kid i thought they were so cute... i wanted a pet ewok soooo bad. My heart broke when my mom said they didnt exist... ) distracted the Imperial brigade by luring them out into the jungle, allowing the Rebel assault team to finish their job to defeat the DS shield generator

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

All of this combined with insanely efficient military order and discipine sets ISTs apart, and is the reason why they are feared throughout the galaxy.

Fremen and Sardaukar would mop the floor with Stormtroopers...

Dune!!!

I am only vaguely familiar with Dune... heard good stuff, but the part of the TV movie i saw made it seem kinda boreing... im sure id like it if i watched it all the way through tho. perhaps when i get time...

[Drake Tungsten]

Don't watch it; read the books. No movie can compete with the books...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Kramerman
no no, Boris has explained that already.

The whole mission was to defend the generator. Chasing down teddy bears weilding rocks and sticks doesn't advance that objective. That generates yet another deficency in Stormtrooper training.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

The whole mission was to defend the generator. Chasing down teddy bears weilding rocks and sticks doesn't advance that objective. That generates yet another deficency in Stormtrooper training.

Not at all. They were trying to defend the generator by destroying the teddy bear threat. However the Ewok ability to fade away and then strike back again in their home-jungle terrain quickly sent the superior Imperial Force into confusion - causing them to forget about the main threat, the human captures. As A few ST were taken down by surprise, the Ewoks would take their "fire sticks" and use them against the Imperials, killing more of them... slowly weakening the force. The various units, as they advanced into the jungle, probably assured themselves that someone else was taking care of the rebel assualt team back near the bunker, and some were, but not nearly enough. The Imperials would have regrouped, and come to their senses to squash the guerillas, but the captured AT-ST took the imperials by surprise, and was a finishing blow to a fialure of Imperial military protocal.

For that one disasterous defeat of IMperial military forces however, there are dozens of astounding victories. There are billions of ISTs fighting throughout the galaxy, mind you, we only see the ones engaged against the heroic Protagonists who always seem to win...

[GeneralTacticus]

Just a point about Dune that everyone seems to be overlooking - while the SW and B5 people are messing aorund with their moon-sized battlestations and Shadow Death Clouds, the Dunians have worked out how to destroy planets using bombs that can be hauled around by people (albeit using sleds, but still...)

Who needs a Death Star when all you need is small transport ship and a stone burner or two?