The Star Wars vs Star Trek Thread; because it's been awhile.

[Boris Godunov]

Ford stayed pretty hot up until a few years ago, but he definitely was back for the old films. He was a little too gangly in ANH, but by ESB and RoTJ, he was solidly in stud territory.

[Arrian]

@ this thread.

My first inclination is to go with the Empire, because they can blow up planets, and are clearly larger and have been around much longer (including the Old Republic) and therefore should have a hefty tech edge.

On the other hand, considering that a rag-tag bunch of smugglers, renegades and other riff-raff took that mighty Empire down... I dunno. The Feds seem to get a lot out of their (by comparison) meager resources.

But in the end, I gotta go with the Empire. Did I mention they can blow up planets?

-Arrian

[GePap]

Bah.. why do all you SW and ST freaks ignore the fact that there is another choice, B5? More plenets were destroyed, and in in more than one way, than in SW.

I guess the "Star" people can;t seem to see that not all sci-fi needs to have "Star" in the Title. besides, B5 has Ming on its side.....

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Arrian
@ this thread.

My first inclination is to go with the Empire, because they can blow up planets, and are clearly larger and have been around much longer (including the Old Republic) and therefore should have a hefty tech edge.

On the other hand, considering that a rag-tag bunch of smugglers, renegades and other riff-raff took that mighty Empire down... I dunno. The Feds seem to get a lot out of their (by comparison) meager resources.

But in the end, I gotta go with the Empire. Did I mention they can blow up planets?

-Arrian

Arrian, Backwater Rebels don't have 3 km warships, the Alliance did.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by GePap
Bah.. why do all you SW and ST freaks ignore the fact that there is another choice, B5? More plenets were destroyed, and in in more than one way, than in SW.

I guess the "Star" people can;t seem to see that not all sci-fi needs to have "Star" in the Title. besides, B5 has Ming on its side.....

We don't know how the Vorlon Planet Killers are used, do we? For all we know they use a BDZ principle like the Empire.

In which case; SW Planetary shields would be able to stop them.

That and First Ones hulls are paperthin.

[GePap]

paper thin? and what gives you that idea? Just cause they might be damaged by very large nuclear wepaons? Oh, sorry, we didn;t make crap utterly up like SW did.

As for that Planetary shield..then we use the shadow planet killer and not the Vorlon one.

[Lonestar]

The Shadow Death cloud would be even less effective.
Some nice fireworks on the Planetary Shield, assuming PLanetary defenses don't F*ck it up.

As for Paperthin hulls, what I have in mind (besides the nukes) is when the Narn Battlecrusier destroyed a Shadow Battlecrab. An ISD would dispatch a Battlecrab with even greater ease.

[GePap]

The Narn ship added its firepower to an already weakened ship that wa salso under atatck by a white Star and a bunch of teekpaths.

if this Planetary shiled is so damned good, what the hell ever was the point of a DS? all of that for no reason? and if it is so good, how does ANYTHING ever get trought? are you telling me planets in the SW universe are invincible and unassailable cause of their impenetrable shields? I don'tbuy it. They had shield on hoth, and the Empire was able to LAND TROOPS just a few miles away from the GENERATOR. If the Empire cna land a walker, why can the Shadows land a multi gigaton, crust penetrating missile? and some nano to boot?

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by GePap
The Narn ship added its firepower to an already weakened ship that wa salso under atatck by a white Star and a bunch of teekpaths.

if this Planetary shiled is so damned good, what the hell ever was the point of a DS? all of that for no reason? and if it is so good, how does ANYTHING ever get trought? are you telling me planets in the SW universe are invincible and unassailable cause of their impenetrable shields? I don'tbuy it. They had shield on hoth, and the Empire was able to LAND TROOPS just a few miles away from the GENERATOR. If the Empire cna land a walker, why can the Shadows land a multi gigaton, crust penetrating missile? and some nano to boot?

A signifigant amount of energy will break upon anything. That's what happen to Alderaan, who's planetary shield stopped the DS1's superlaser for a split second.

Hoth didn't have a planetary shield, it had a smaller "Umbrella" theater shield This is why you didn't see much in the way of Imperial Airsupport, flying into the shield would cause a big booboo for unproperly grounded objects.

[GePap]

So, if the DS could break through the shield, then the Vorlons would be able to as well, would they not? And as i said, the Vorlons have multiple planet killers, while the Empire could only afford one planetkiller at a time.

May I add that the Shdaow planet killer is great at attakcing enemy fleets, even better than a one shot ant a time weapons. it can envelop many ships, the nano start to attack vessels and shut down systems, while the missiles take out larger ships.

[Lonestar]

GePap, for all we know, the Vorlon PLanet Killer just scorches the planets surface like the Shadow Death cloud, in which case, whoop de-frickin' do. A ISD can do the same.

I agree that a Deathcloud would be a b*tch and a half to kill, but it still wouldn't be able to break a Planetary shield.

[GePap]

We know that thew Vorlon planet killer blows them up good, just like the DS. And the Shadows don';t just scorch the surface: they send missiles deep in to churn the planet inside out while nano uses up all bilogical and useful mineral resources, leaving the planet utterly useless.

[Drake Tungsten]

Bah.. why do all you SW and ST freaks ignore the fact that there is another choice, B5? More plenets were destroyed, and in in more than one way, than in SW.

What about Dune?

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by GePap
We know that thew Vorlon planet killer blows them up good, just like the DS. And the Shadows don';t just scorch the surface: they send missiles deep in to churn the planet inside out while nano uses up all bilogical and useful mineral resources, leaving the planet utterly useless.

We do, huh? What episode of B5 was that?(when we saw the vorlon planetkiller in action and/or effects)

[Boris Godunov]

I've not seen an entire episode of B5 to this very day, so don't really give a damn about it, sorry.

Thanks to Lonestar for answering the Hoth shield question. The reason for using AT-ATs is maybe because repulsorlift vehicles have a difficult time operating over deep snow or ice. After all, we don't see the Rebels using them, either...they use air speeders.

AT-ATs are good for a few reasons--first, there's the obvious fear factor. Inspiring terror in the enemy with 100-foot walking behemoths does provide a morale advantage, to some degree. Second, they are incredibly well-armored and shielded. Repulsorlift vehicles may nto be able to have such armor. AT-ATs shrugged off direct hits from the Rebel turbolasers. Third, it is extremely difficult to take down an AT-AT. Recall how only one was taken down by the tripwire, and that's because the speeder was flown by Wedge Antilles, probably the best starfighter pilot in the galaxy at that point. Two lost AT-ATs is an extremely small price to pay, considering they destroyed a rebel base and 17 transports.