Flag waving.......Flag burning

[Joseph]

Re: Re: Re: Flag waving.......Flag burning

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Oh, and just for you

If you want to protest the war do so. If you want to call Bush a moron do so. But if I see anyone burning the flag, I will be in their face so quick that they will not know what happen, and for the next few minuted buring the flag will the last thing on their mind.

US Navy VET.

[chequita guevara]

I've never burned a flag and I don't ever intend to do so. I don't see the point. All it does is piss people off. I'm with Boris' grandfather, though. If they make it illegal, I'll start burning them.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Well, I follow my grandfather's notions on this. A WWII veteran, he said the day they make it illegal to burn a flag in this country is the day he lights one up, because what the flag stands for as much as anything else is the freedom to express oneself, even in such an offensive way.

I'm with you on that, Boris.

However, I still find it offensive when people do it. I wouldn't advocate them being punished for doing so, of course, but my reaction is still

[Chemical Ollie]

Burning a flag is on the same moral level as p!ssing on a grave. I get very insulted even by minor abuses to the Swedish flag.

- Olympic gold medalists using the Swedish flag as a piece of clothing, almost like a towel to absorb their sweath. They might even, by accident let it touch the ground while running an extra lap around the stadion to celebrate. Letting the flag touch the ground is a sign of disrespect and a sign you want to surrender. Even if their intention is to proudly show the flag to the world, they quite often accomplish the opposite - to humiliate the nation for which they just won the gold medal (at least in my eyes).

- Sport fans going to international championships spray paint grafitti of their local team or home town right across the flag to show off to the TV audience. I get offended by that. A flag should be free from graffiti.

- I was perhaps a little too arrogant myself once. The day after the Swedish hockey team won the 1994 Olympics, I brought my 50 cm long flag to school to celebrate (at every moment holding it high, or respectfully winded around it's aluminium pole.) That would be perfectly fine in Sweden, but at the moment I was living in Finland. The Finns take their hockey very seriously - it's even a more frequent topic at Finnish drinking parties than the winter war of 1939. At a brake, I hanged the flag on the wall of our student club room and sat beside it with a cup of tea. Another student got offended by the sight of a Swedish flag (The Finns were extremely yellous at the moment, as the Lions didn't even reach the finals) so he tried to burn it! I was able to stop him in time, but if he would had fulfilled, I might just had beaten him to death with the aluminium flag pole. Thank God he didn't burn it, as I would still be in jail.

[jolair]

All around the world...

santiago de chile 02-May-01

[Boris Godunov]

I have no sympathy for anyone who would commit violence in "defense" of a flag, any moreso than I would have sympathy for someone who commits violence in defense of any other inanimate objects. Symbolic value does not connote justification for violence.

[jolair]

Thessaloniki 05-Apr-01

[Boris Godunov]

We can, however, do without the pictures, thanks.

[jolair]

Goteborg 14-June-01

[jolair]

Berne 06-Apr-02

[Ben Kenobi]

Symbolic value does not connote justification for violence.

Note:

MtG's on the prowl guys.
And he doesn't seem to fear bannings.
We can debate without pictures.

With each picture you confirm the symbolic meaning of the flag.

[jolair]

Cairo 09-Sep-01

[Verto]

Perhaps you could find something else to do?

Trying to instigate and reignite flame wars is somewhat pathetic.

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by jolair
Goteborg 14-June-01

One of those guys, or at least one of their friends, was shot by the Swedish police the day after. He had it coming.

EDIT: What's wrong with pictures? They help us to understand the subject. If you get offended, fine! That's the purpose of the flag burners. If you don't get offended, thats fine too. Then you are extremely tolerant persons.

As I said before, burning a flag (of any nation) is like p!ssing on a grave.

[jolair]

I'll never burn a flag. It's a stupid thing.

Have you ever ask yourself why all around the world people burn your flag more than any other?

You should be proud of that?

You don't care about it?

Btw what exactly means turn USA flag up - down...

thanks