For your Info: I am a Muslim and RAW is a Muslim Only Clan

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by RAW_OmarBKhatab


Prophet Mohammed (saw) committed no sin. Can u provide proofs? Where u there?

And now, dont quote from Jewish/Christian sites made to defame Islam and Muslim. I want to see your own work and research from independent sources.

If u cannot provide it, ur effort of defaming Islam has failed like the effort of Jewish Shiias have failed.

Omar, you seem to be very hateful for someone who says he's a muslim.

[HisMajestyBOB]

Ooo, its like Civnation in muslim form!
Except, his posts were longer and more fun.

[Ben Kenobi]

A Muslim can act contrary to Gods will given God has given him the capability.

Raw_OmarBKhatab:

This is self-contradictory. If God gives man the capability to sin, then is not sin according to God's will?
How can man be held responsible for his actions if God wills him to sin?

And if God wills sin, how can God be all-Good?

And I dont think u know the power of your creator.

Upon what do you base this conclusion?
Do I need to post the Apostles' Creed?
"I believe in God the Father, creator of heaven and earth..."

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Lonestar


Omar, you seem to be very hateful for someone who says he's a muslim.

Bigot.

[Arrian]

[RAW_OmarBKhatab]

Originally posted by obiwan18


Raw_OmarBKhatab:

This is self-contradictory. If God gives man the capability to sin, then is not sin according to God's will?
How can man be held responsible for his actions if God wills him to sin?

And if God wills sin, how can God be all-Good?



Upon what do you base this conclusion?
Do I need to post the Apostles' Creed?
"I believe in God the Father, creator of heaven and earth..."

obiwan: Every good and every Bad happens because Allah permitted it to be. For Humans, Allah gave us the power of Judgment. So, although Allah gave us the capabilty of doing BAD deeds, it is upto us, if we will do it or not.

Allah is all powerfull and all knowing. The reason I said, u dont know the power of your creator is because, u are trying to LOGIC Allahs capabilty with ur Human capacity of Logic and reasoning. Allah and His Might is beyond any Logic.

Becasue, u keep trying to make sence that u cannot comprehend, u find utter contradictions....

I am sure, u are confused as ever before..... untill u revert to Islam and ponder up the creation of Allah.

There is One Way To The Creator.... and that is Islams Way

[RAW_OmarBKhatab]

Originally posted by Lonestar


Omar, you seem to be very hateful for someone who says he's a muslim.

Hatefull? How?

[RAW_OmarBKhatab]

Originally posted by Spectator


Hmmmm, who does? According to me, my creator was a bacteria and CO2....Where did that bacteria come from, I dont know...And if my creator is so powerful and all, why doesn't he show up or atleast show us that he exist.
Because he doesn't and religion is only something that was used, in the beginning, to control the population on how to act in a certain way.
You know why Jews dont eat porc? Well it's because at one time in history (dont know the year) porc had a disease that humans could get if they ate it. So for the population not to eat it, the priests said that God told them that is was a sin to eat porc. Problem solved.

So anything you tell me without CONCRETE proof I will not beleive.


Spec.

U dont have to believe me. I did not come here to make any one believe anything. I came here to share what We Muslims believe in. U dont have to agree.... and I am not even dreaming of it. Muslims dont eat pork becasue Allah told us not to. No other reason needed.

Islam is to Listen and to obey. Submission to the will of Allah. No reason or logic needed

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


Bigot.

I'm bigoted to that Fosters swill you call beer.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by RAW_OmarBKhatab


Hatefull? How?

Doesn't the Qur'an teach that you should be kind to others? Where does it teach that Jews are cursed and and Shi'ia's are not Muslims?

[RAW_OmarBKhatab]

Originally posted by Lonestar


Doesn't the Qur'an teach that you should be kind to others? Where does it teach that Jews are cursed and and Shi'ia's are not Muslims?

Jews are cursed and Shiia are not Muslims. Its not teaching, its facts, like Night comes after day, and day follows the night.

Consult an Ulima to find out how. If I explain u, It will not be acceptable by you. U will find something new to argue with.


Claming Jews are cursed is not being "unkind" to them. It is an Islamic point of view. If u would check in history books, Jewish community suffered the least while under Islamic Empire. While Christians where killing Jews all over the world in Europre, they found safe heavens in Muslim countries. And, etc etc [read History books... too long for this post etc etc]


Shiia are not Muslims, is to refute the Jewish westurn media claim that shiia are Muslims. Abdullah Ibn Saba, a Jewish scholar created shiiaism back about 1400 years, during the time of Kholifa Ali(ra). Speaking the truth about shia is not unkind.

U may have a different idea of being kind and loving. Like killing children and women while trying to kill enemy soilders are kind? and loving? when u are trying "free" them from the tyrunt?

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by RAW_OmarBKhatab



Jews are cursed and Shiia are not Muslims. Its not teaching, its facts, like Night comes after day, and day follows the night.

Consult an Ulima to find out how. If I explain u, It will not be acceptable by you. U will find something new to argue with.


Claming Jews are cursed is not being "unkind" to them. It is an Islamic point of view. If u would check in history books, Jewish community suffered the least while under Islamic Empire. While Christians where killing Jews all over the world in Europre, they found safe heavens in Muslim countries. And, etc etc [read History books... too long for this post etc etc]


Shiia are not Muslims, is to refute the Jewish westurn media claim that shiia are Muslims. Abdullah Ibn Saba, a Jewish scholar created shiiaism back about 1400 years, during the time of Kholifa Ali(ra). Speaking the truth about shia is not unkind.

U may have a different idea of being kind and loving. Like killing children and women while trying to kill enemy soilders are kind? and loving? when u are trying "free" them from the tyrunt?

The Qur'an is the word of God, as passed down to the Prophet Mohammed, right? Therefore, I repeat, where in the Qur'an does it say this stuff you're saying? Or is it just that "Collection" ( ) of Mohammed's sayings that one of the Caliphs made up to justify the slaughter of the Jews of Baghdad?

Incidently, I don't know why the Jewish Media would be trying to help the Shi'ia's, as the Iranians (Shiites) back Hezbollah which is Israel's biggest problem after the PLO.

Killing children is a horrible, horrible thing. But you know what makes the United States better than Iraq, and sadly, much of the muslim world?

We go out of our way to avoid hitting non-combatants. Muslim "warriors" cheerfully blow up school buses and destroy non-military buildings.

[Ben Kenobi]

Allah and His Might is beyond any Logic.

Fair enough. However, this does not rule out us trying to understand how God works. Why else would God give us a capacity to reason, and to make decisions for ourselves? God allows us to make mistakes from an ignorant conscience, but encourages us to become informed so that we will know what is right, and will do so.

Just because I am trying to understand God does not mean that I render his power less, it is making full use of the capacity God has given me.

The interaction between God's foreknowledge and the free will of man is a problem for Christians as well as Muslims. However, we differ in our explanations. While you accredit sin to God, we say that sin is a result of the choices man has made.

Where does sin originate, Omar?

While Christians where killing Jews all over the world in Europre, they found safe heavens in Muslim countries.

Forgive me, but I would like to see evidence of such havens for Jews. Do Jews find safe haven in Muslim countries today?

Like killing children and women while trying to kill enemy soilders are kind? and loving? when u are trying "free" them from the tyrunt?

You assume all Christians support the war. This is not so. Even the Pope spoke out against the war.

Jews are cursed and Shiia are not Muslims.

Why are Jews cursed? For rejecting their prophet?
Can a Jew be redeemed, within his faith?

This is one difference between Christians and Muslims today. Christians acknowledge our debt to the Jews, and that we are 'ingrafted branches' in the tree of life. Muslims deny that the large portion of what they believe, they owe to the Jews.

Do you not share many prophets?

[JCG]

So shouldn't the Sunnis have very poor relations with Iran then?

Another thing...Isn't the Quran the only guide for Muslims? Then why do many of you guys refer to external Hadith and Sunnas? That seems to contradict 012:111, 031:006 and a lot of other suras....

It seems like most believers (of all religions, including Christianity) fail to follow their own rules to the letter....

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by RAW_OmarBKhatab



Jews are cursed and Shiia are not Muslims.

Bigot.