For your Info: I am a Muslim and RAW is a Muslim Only Clan

[Amesjustin]

Love the Starship Troopers reference, BTW...

[Ben Kenobi]

obiwan, your argument fails because you used "reason and logic" and OmarBKhatab has made it perfectly clear that there is no need for that.

Bustamike

Don't get me all worked up like that.

RAW_OmarBKhatab:

Any response to my post?

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by BustaMike
Brainwashed by the media... brainwashed by your church, eh...



Same should be true of everything, not just the media.

[Kramerman]

Originally posted by Ming
I think some people need to chill... before they get chilled...

I must say that wwas kinda lame...

Your usually more clever than that


but, who am i to judge?

[Amesjustin]

Originally posted by Kramerman


I must say that wwas kinda lame...

Your usually more clever than that


but, who am i to judge?

uh oh....

prepare for a sub-zero chilling....

[realpolitic]

Originally posted by BustaMike
Stupid question...

Why should online gaming be divided into religious groups

Because Muslims are can't win wars, they are lousy strategists, they need some way of deluding themselves that Allah is on their side.

[Az]

That's just cruel.

[realpolitic]

Originally posted by RAW_OmarBKhatab



Jews are cursed

Sounds like Hitler's master race theory.

If Jews are cursed how come Jerusalem is an Islamic Holy City?

[BustaMike]

Because Muslims are can't win wars, they are lousy strategists, they need some way of deluding themselves that Allah is on their side.

LMFAO.... bigot hehe.

Love the Starship Troopers reference, BTW...

Thanks, as far as I can tell, everyone else here at Apolyton thinks that movie sucks and I can't understand why.

[Kramerman]

the book was better. A lot different, but i liked the philosophical and political ideas expressed in the much more sophisticated novel.

[Alexander's Horse]

Re: Sinfulness of Muhammad

Originally posted by obiwan18
Dr. Strangelove

From the book
"Answering Islam."

by N. Geisler and A. Saleeh

p.171-172

POLYGAMY

" According to the Quran a man may have up to 4 wives."

Muhammad received a revelation from God that a man should have no more than four wives at one time, yet he had many more. A Muslim defender of Muhammad writing in the Prophet of Islam as the Ideal Husband, admitted thatt he had fourteen wives! Yet he told others they could have only four wives. How can someone be a perfect moral example for the whole human race and not even live by one of the basic laws he laid down as from God?

In addition to all this, we are asked to believe that God made a special exception to another divinely revealed law to give each wife her conjugal rights justly, that is to observe a fixed rotation among them. Muhammad insists that God told him that he could have whichever wife he wanted whe he wanted her: "Thou mayest defer the (the turn of) any of them that thou Pleasest, and thou mayest receive any thou pleasest."

FEMALE SERVANT BEATING

On one occasion Muhammad sanctioned the beating of a female servant in order to elicit the truth from her. Haykal reports that, "the servant was called in and Ali immediately seized her and struck her painfully and repeatedly as he commanded her to to tell the truth to the Prophet of God.

WIFE BEATING

According to the Q'uran, men can even beat their wives.
"Men are in charge of women because Allah hath made the one to excell the other...As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them"

TREATMENT OF UNBELIEVERS p.174

The punishment of those who wage war against God(unbelievers) And His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land.

CARAVAN RAIDING

Muhammed himself sanctioned his followers raiding of the commercial Meccan caravans. The Prophet himself led three such raids. Doubtless the purpose of the attacks was to obtain financial reward but also to impress the Meccans with the growing Muslim force.

FALSE WITNESS

Another time, Muhammad sanctioned a follower to lie to an enemy named Khalid in order to kill him. This he did. Then, at a safe distance, but in the presence of the man's wives, he fell on him with his sword and killed him. Khalid's women were the only witnesses and they began to cry and mourn for him.

ASSASSINATIONS

On other occasions Muhammad had no aversion to politically experidant assassinations. When a prominent Jew, Ka'b Ibn Al-Ashraf, had stirred up some discord against Muhammad and composed a satirical poem about him, the Prophet asked, Who will deliver me from Ka'b? Immediately four persons volunteered and shortly returned to Muhammad with Ka'b's head..

Also Muhammad ordered the death of Uqbah ibn Abu Muayt.

On 2 other occasions, Muhammad ordered the deaths of satirical poets.

KEEPING OATHS p. 175

The Qur'an itself informs us the Muhammad was not indisposed to breaking promises when he found it advantageous. He even got a revelation to break a long-standing pledge to avoid killing during a sacred month of Arab:"They ask thee concerning fighting in the prohibited month. Say: Fighting therein is a grave offense, but graver is it in the sight of God to prevent access to the path of God."

EXECUTING WOMEN

A Jewish woman was executed because she had killed a Muslim by dropping a millstone on his head. Both slave women who had allegedly spoken against Muhammad in song, were indicted and ordered executed with their master. When it was believed that one woman, Abu'Afk had insulted Muhammad, by a poem, one of Muhammad's followers "attacked her during the night while she was surrounded by her children, one of whom she was nursing. And, "after removing the child from his victim, he killed her."

GENOCIDE p.176

Muhammad attacked the last Jewish tribe of Medina based on the suspicion that they had plotted with the Meccan enemies against Muslims. Unlike the previous two Jewish tribes who had been simply expelled from the city, this time all the men of the tribe were put to death and the women and children were sold into slavery.

You can find exactly the same sort of thing in the Old Testament of the bible. Your point?

[Ben Kenobi]

Read the bolded sections, AH.

Christianity does not claim that even those who are morally upright are sinless.

That distinction belongs to Christ.

Muslims claim that Muhammed is sinless, and these examples show not only how Muhammed falls short of our morality, but also how he falls short of Muslim morality.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Stupid question...

Why should online gaming be divided into religious groups

No, no, realpolitik, it is so we (well I guess I'm 'genetically' Muslim) can play Counterstrike as the terrorists and thus make it more realistic .

[Imran Siddiqui]

Muslims claim that Muhammed is sinless

No they don't.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by obiwan18
Muslims claim that Muhammed is sinless, and these examples show not only how Muhammed falls short of our morality, but also how he falls short of Muslim morality.

"Our morality"? Bigot.